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Many women, not many men

Posted by ODS (276 days ago)
Watched a programme the other day- speaking about aged 21-35 years old population in hk.
Each 1000 women there's only 700 men. This number is including professionals expats in HK, while not including the domestic helpers.
and just out of a curious ... checked out "Personals" on AX.
# - Men Wanting Women (82)
# - Women Wanting Men (213)
Pretty much obvious isn't it ...
I have a lot of friends who are pretty, nice ladies, professionals, but they are single for few years. Not that they haven't tried but they said: 'its not hard to meet men, but good one is almost impossible to find".
Male friends of mine, even they are Non-professional men - but they are having 3,4 girl friends, some even having GFs in Mainland. Professional and Expats friends of mine, if they are not married (Or in a stable relationship), they are players who has a gf at home but cheat around.
A friend I know (Western lady, professional) got divorced because of her husband (European) cheat on her with a younger western girl.
So take care of yourself everyone.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
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Posted by jamil (276 days ago)
lmao @ OD
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by ronin (276 days ago)
Not sure what is meant by the 'good ones are almost impossible to find', but reckon that maybe your lady friends have set their expectations a bit too high. That may be the root cause of the problem here.
Professional, well-educated women (like your friends) tend to seek out men who are in the same (and hopefully higher) social / financial strata. It would be a fair assumption that your 'highly educated / financially independent / career successful' lady friends would not consider a relationship with a janitor who has a good heart (may be wrong here though = ) ).
There is a saying that 'beggars cannot be choosers', so maybe your friends should lower their expectations when it comes to men and they may have more luck!
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by kaileyb (276 days ago)
I once said to a male expat friend "it's like a smorgasboard for white guys in HK, there are girls everywhere" His reply was, "yeah, if you're only wanting to get laid, there are a lot of girls. But if you want to find a quality, intelligent woman, who's on the same page to have a relationship with, it's pretty hard." So I think both men and women have problems finding a "decent" person to have a relationship with.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by p.mason (274 days ago)
Pl pm me for some suggestions
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by selda (273 days ago)
maybe it's time for HK women to become a bit more adventurous. Instead of spending your money and time in self-improvement courses (waste of time, as most men don't care if you speak French, Spanish and Korean, can arrange flowers or read tarots ) just travel to places where there is an over-supply of men. Easy. Mainland China is one of those places, India is not a bad place either.
Of course, if you suffer from some sort of racist bias, stay in HK and moan.
HK men who cannot find a wife in HK have been outsourcing wives in China for a long time. What stops local women from doing the same thing?
A lot of professional men from the Mainland are more mature, fit and good-looking than HK guys. Get off your high horse and start looking around. When i was in Beijing my head kept turning... i am in a relationship, otherwise i would have pursued them :-)
(I am based in Unspecified)
Posted by hkhome1 (273 days ago)
The fact some western guys may date locals is a red herring - many I know prefer western girls but only if they could find a compatible one that isn't too drunk, too busy at yoga or on a girls weekend to Burma - you need to decide yourself - Find a long term boyfriend and make some sacrifices initially or go on endless girlfriend breaks?!!!
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by expathub (272 days ago)
i have to agree with kaileyb's friend. There are plenty of opportunities to have a meaningless one-nighter, but eventually most men will grow a little tired of that (or else end up like a sad little kid who has made himself sick in a sweetshop) and yearn for more. That is harder to find, here, and elsehwere, I guess. Women are soooooo demanding these days (lol) ... Seriously, where are all these "nice professional ladies"?? ...
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by squidburger* (263 days ago)
Wanted:
One (or more for choice) well-established professional(s), impressive salary, hard-working yet romantic, worldly but also homely, ready with witty repartee at moments notice, ready to guide, ready to teach, well-built, handsome, tall, entertaining, strong, adoring etc. etc. etc. male, to settle down with professional HK lady as soon as possible.
Expats only. Mediocre expats not possessing the above attributes and any males orginating from the Asian region with or without the above attributes need not apply.
HK Lady
what is the big mystery here?
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by jardine johnnie (263 days ago)
the mystery -in her own mind- will be , at age 40 or so, why a 'catch' like her (impressive salary) is still single and is still getting her biggest thrills from her Giant Gladiator, just like in the previous 20 years.
Ladies, this is NOT what guys are looking for. "Expats only" ???? WTF !
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Myria (263 days ago)
in shanghai, we girls have the same problem in finding the good men...
very very difficult...
(I am based in Shanghai)
Posted by witchsmirror (263 days ago)
right. very difficult.. and more pressure from you gals in HK.
(I am based in Shanghai)
Posted by squidburger* (262 days ago)
whoosh..
the sound of a missed point rushing overhead
Myria, witch, if you're having the same problem as the women here then it's probably because you're thinking like them
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Adrienne Farrelly (261 days ago)
Squidburger.......it didn't whoosh over me. I thought it quite entertaining at first but then quite sad afterwards. Why such incredibly high expectations?
I think the local girls here in Shanghai have more reasonable expectations and easily hook up with western guys hence us single western girls bond with, guess who, their single western girlfriends. We have little chance of attracting our own guys when the competition is so fierce, so why on earth bother.
You know the saying "to catch a fish you need bait but once it's caught you don't". Well, the girls sure "bait" the western guys here........hook, line and sinker. It's all a rather sad and sorry state I'd say.
Well, better be off and practice my yoga then thumb through travel brochures over a stiff drink....or ten.
Cheers,
Adrienne
(I am based in Shanghai)
Posted by NeedAdvice (260 days ago)
This problem has its root in sociocultural expectation ... the tall dark handsome knight, charming and loaded ...
Could you possibly accept a husband shorter and financially worse off than you?
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by ravishing (259 days ago)
I would like to say that the western men that come to hongkong are quite strange to say the least. I mean , a lot of the attractive women here we can go to a pub etc and none of these guys will come over and say hi etc. Whereas if it was in Vancouver or Canberra men invest more in the art of being social etc. Here man we were at mint and you know what the men that approached you were fast movers, they were not only interested in dancing with you but also snogging you. I think one of my perceptive girlfriends said it all when she said that some guys that come over here are "zeros to heros". They may have been rejected in the west so they hop on a plane and come to good old hongkong where the chinese women make it so easy for them. They practically dont have to do anything to and they get to hop into bed with them that night. So guys heres the deal if you want to get involved with an indian or western women who has the brains and the beauty, you will have to work for it but believe me when I say this, the effort is well worth it
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by Loyd Grossman is Miss Venezuela (259 days ago)
Ravishing; I'm playing Devil's advocate here, but why make the effort? In my limited experience of women, I've always found the plainer ones to be the hottest. The small number of beautiful women I have been with have been a bit of a disappointment. Okay, I'd definitely make an effort to chase an Indian lady as I think they are lovely but there aren't many available ones in HK and it's difficult to know whether you're in with a chance anyway - even if she likes you.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by ziggity (259 days ago)
I'm not sure why some women who come to asia and just assume all men are players with yellow fever who just want to love them and leave them... come on ladies how about admitting that there are some nice guys out there but you might just have to actually socialise with men to meet the good ones, and stop being so bitter and twisted.
And I don't know about you... but I like the odd drink myself, so I'm not sure why you discount every guy who has had a few drinks... no one is saying you have to sleep with them immediately, but discounting them (not even talking to them)without giving them a chance might be part of the problem, no?
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by Justin Credible (Part Deux) (259 days ago)
I agree with Lloyd. There are a lot of stereotypically built hoops one would believe they have to jump through in order to date an Indian hottie...I mean, we all watched "Bend it like Beckham" erm...at least I did. Why would someone want to go out on a limb when there is so much else within arms reach?
The truth of the matter is that most folks that are single are single coz they are "too picky" or simply dont go out much. By that I mean...if you arent much for going out and being a go getter, the likelihood of prince charming, or even a mingin frog, of falling into your lap, is slim to zero.
Its good to maintain the right attitude...the thing is, I knew friends, female friends...who moaned about the lack of "good men" here in HK and so at some point in their early 30's decided to pack up and move to "greener" pastures so as to nab that elusive "2.5 kids, picket fence, labrador" life...wanna know what? They are now in their late 30's, still single women who are silently resigned to never dating anyone less colorful than a suicidal Polish potter!
Alls I am saying is...it may have something to do with HK but then again, it may have something to do with the person doing the searching. Once people man up to that and quit saying they are single because of stiff competition and just maybe admit they are single coz they might not be the prize catch they think they are...well, maybe some non-seven-figure-earning dude might be in with a chance to make er happy!
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by expathub (259 days ago)
Why be so bitchy towards the local women? So, they have different "values" to all you "educated", well-heeled and oh-so-sophisticated western ladies. Maybe it's just a cultural thing. Face it, you're on their turf, and perhaps you have to play by their rules. If you don't want to do that, then stop moaning; you got beat by a better woman. That's life. Supply and demand. Move on.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Ed (259 days ago)
This is not a war... its a forum and we're all friends here eh
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by Justin Credible (Part Deux) (259 days ago)
I agree...y'know what? I was reading this book recently and in it this woman, who was working in foreign services and stationed in Bangkok was celebrating her 50th birthday in style and what she wanted was for all her 40's (yep, you read it right...40's!) single, divorced or cheatin, well heeled, educated, well employed, female friends to have a date and/or to have a blast being entertained and not bored. So she took out an ad in the paper looking for well heeled, educated, interesting men who would want to meet like in the opposite sex...saying there was an "audition" and then had the interviews at the Ritz. You know so many people responded, so many MEN, that she was stunned! There are men out there who are interested, they just havent been asked! They narrowed it down from over a 100 to 20 guys and then the interviews were a right blast as about 10 women rocked up to judge...and out of the 20 they picked 12...they were all from different walks of life...from a plumber to an artist, from a businessman to an aid worker...from a poet to a carpenter!
Women have the power to put themselves out there and still have a say in it...maybe instead of girls jaunts to Paris y'all can get together and do something similar and consider every guy who has a sense of humor instead of ones with a six pack like that Wolverine guy (who by the way, is super hot and has brought chest hair back in vogue! Shoop!) but yes, most guys dont look like him...and most women dont look like Nicole Kidman either...and lets face it, most women in their 30's and 40's, which are the usual suspects in the search for love in HK, definitely dont look like her.
:o)
Make it happen...someone plan it, and someone execute it...and before you know it, the least you would have is a bloody good time!
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by jardine johnnie (259 days ago)
Something I have been noticing, on the streets of Central, and in my gym, are the number of very tall and extremely thin white girls. Apparently they are model types, mostly blond, self-conscious, vacuous looks in their eyes. And I keep asking myself: who, in their right mind, would want to "do" pathetic types like that ?
Gimme a Suzhou Suzy anytime.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by maxis (259 days ago)
Squid's satire on the "Expats only" is very much the case, often.
I have often heard western women in HK say:
"all the guys here are rejects or failures in their own country, and are from zero to hero"
But most of them who say it are single and will stay that way with their attitude. I have never heard a woman who is happy with her personal life say it, though.
Also, this "got yellow fever" comment is quite offensive to both the men and te women, and is quite a racist thing to say really.
It would seem, in the main, that western women are not at all interested in local men, and often cite reasons such as cultural differences, desparity in height etc...all P.C.
Why not give a local man a chance- there's plenty about in HK.
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by Justin Credible (Part Deux) (259 days ago)
Agree wholeheartedly...I have never had a problem dating in HK...maybe it can be said that I dated problems or that I was a dating problem, but never really had a problem finding a date in HK. Sure some may have looked like Frankenstein but had a wonderful sense of humor and knew how to sniff a good wine...or maybe the odd one had super short arms that were disproportionate to the body they were attached to...but hey, somewhere in that pile of good first date efforts there were dates that made it past the hundred yard dash and were capable of brightening my life even if it were only for a handful of months, lol.
Thing is, I remember this gay friend of mine, this yoga instructor, very buff and all, and he was complaining about how he had become so bitter with the dating scene in HK and how he had his heart broken so many times by the fickle ways of men...and he was amazed at me how everytime I had a relationship end I just dusted myself off and went happily down the street into something new without detracting away from the future. You see, he became more and more guarded with each misstep whereas I just became more aware that not everything is meant to last forever, so I was still happy to be carefree and give as much into the next relationship opportunity.
Thats what we find out here though, many gals and guys who have been hurt go into the next opportunity giving less of themselves...its no wonder you will GET less in return. Over time, its a vicious cycle and it will only end up badly.
We cannot say that western gals (and really what do we mean by "western"??) should just bite the bullet and tap the local market! Pshh, being a woman dating an asian man is a lot different than being a man dating an asian woman. Attitudes towards women are wholly different. A lot of "asian" women date foreign men because they like being treated with a bit more respect or as equals...or maybe they believe that the "western" man is more romantic or whatever...whatever the deal is, its not as easy as it sounds to have women just pick a local as they please. We all know the kind of man or woman that attracts us, its like telling a vegetarian to just suck it up and eat chicken!
*shrug*
Awwww whatever. Its just not that easy, thats all...Still, by advising folks to quit being picky I mean, maybe you should give the guys who fit your basic requirements a go...they may not fit ALL your standards, but you never know until you date a few, and really, going out on dates is a good way to sharpen your people skills! Date, even if it comes to nothing, go out on a handful of blind dates a month..it will teach you to be human and communicate...and will also teach you about yourself and what is unique about you...Get on out there!
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by kh888 (258 days ago)
Wow – I have to say that I read these posts and I’m shocked!
I’m not in China yet, but is this really the sentiment from women in China? Or just expat women in China? I can understand why some have the opinion that if you want certain “Western” qualities you may have to adjust as you’re in another country, but simultaneously understand that its not quite that easy. What exactly is it that you’re all looking for? The qualities of a Western guy in a Chinese fellow?
Now I’m wondering what kind of women are going to be like when I arrive…
(I am based in Guangzhou)
Posted by Yujanice (258 days ago)
I have been staying in Korean for few months, the girls are so submissive even they are all very tough in manner. This is what you can't find in Hong Kong girls so called "office lady" or "professional banker" you know, they are all arrogant.
Most of the Japanese girls are quite the same as Korean girls too.
Even at this generation.
I feel so sad on HK girls that they never do household job, never cook, wash dishes and ironing. They are proud of hiring a domestic helper but discard the family.
I am based in HK yet studied overseas.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Aijin (partly perpetual) (258 days ago)
Yujanice... regarding HK women discarding the family/ never doing household chores/hiring a helper... gross generalization but many Japanese women once they marry/have children become 'homemakers' rather than stay in the workplace.
Two very different mentalities and indeed environs...
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by magnolia_khan (258 days ago)
yujanice.. interesting point- but i think you jumped to conclusions too fast given it's a complicated topic to start with.
"zero to hero"- right on da money!
argh it really pisses me off- we asian women have to play it hard. gotta stand up for our image.! don't act like swarming bees all over honey please... like every white guy will think we are easy..!
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by expathub (258 days ago)
I'm sure there are lots of Asian women who have the dignity and self-respect not to throw themselves at western men. Personally, I never thought Asian women were "easy" .. just different. Half the women you see pouring all over western men in LKF/Wanchai on a Fri/Sat night are ladies of the night, with only $ in their mind, so maybe your view is being coloured somewhat.
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by meimei14930 (258 days ago)
actually i agree with poster ODS. Even in Singapore where I live, there're so many more girls than boys around. you can go to any part of Singapore at any time, whether peak or non peak hour, and see so many more girls than boys at one spot. Even on a crowded bus, just have a look around and you'll see so many more girls than guys. And many ladies in singapore in their 20s are finding it very hard to land a guy becoz there're just not enough to go around. from what a few have stated here, i dont think it's a matter of choice/preference/setting standards issue. I just think there're plainly too many girls around than guys.
I think some countries have more girls than boys. For Singapore, im very sure there're more girls than guys. I think it's also the same in Japan and China. Whereas I noticed that in India and the muslim countries, there're a lot men. I think maybe it's the kind of genes, the diet or something.
I read a report which mentioned that men who're stressed or work in harmful environment lose or produce very little Y chromosomes which are needed to make a baby boy.
(I am based in Singapore)

Posted by smoog (258 days ago)
I've noticed more than a few threads about this topic. I find it rather odd and very surprising, as I've been in HK 5 years now, and for the first 3 was single. In those three years I went on just 2 dates. Every other woman I'd ask would always turn me down. I gave up in the end and consigned myself to being single until happenstance connected me with a particularly beautiful woman with whom I'm glad to say is still keen on me.
But where were all these apparently desperate, lonely single women? I don't think I'm THAT unattractive!
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Aijin (partly perpetual) (257 days ago)
On a personal level I am getting a tad bored of being hit on by ever younger (mid thirties max) married guys wanting a bit on the side...
Is it the environs that affect?...
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by bing2 (257 days ago)
hong kong guys lack self confident and afraid to lose "face". although they like someone let's say in a club, they are too afraid to express their interest and they can't take rejection. they are so afraid just to talk, and if they do, they dont know what to say.....so they rather stay put, play with their friends and enjoy their drink. you girls just dont know how much they fancy you!
my advice to the women here: dont play hard to get....this is the 21st century, cmon. even girls are now proposing to guys for marriage.
girls who are not afraid of showing interest, flirty and not playing hard to get (without being slutty) are the ones who are not spending valentine's day alone.
girls, remember that guys are babies thus they need "encouragement" from you!
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by bing2 (257 days ago)
justin credible says:
We cannot say that western gals (and really what do we mean by "western"??) should just bite the bullet and tap the local market! Pshh, being a woman dating an asian man is a lot different than being a man dating an asian woman. Attitudes towards women are wholly different. A lot of "asian" women date foreign men because they like being treated with a bit more respect or as equals...or maybe they believe that the "western" man is more romantic or whatever...whatever the deal is, its not as easy as it sounds to have women just pick a local as they please. We all know the kind of man or woman that attracts us, its like telling a vegetarian to just suck it up and eat chicken!
i am chinese and i dated western girls (both serious and long term relationship). you are wrong if you think western girls dont want to date local men. it's not about the local men, it's about connection and chemistry between two people.
your comment is so arrogant and you are obvioulsy ignorant about women. women dont care if you are asian, white, black or whatever, if they like you, find you interesting, feel comfortable with you, you can be a gorilla as far as i'm concerned.
in asia you see less local men with western girls because local men have no confident to approach western girls and because of family value.
asian girls throwing themselves or dating western guys mostly after their $$.
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by Aijin (partly perpetual) (257 days ago)
bing... we all generalize and can only offer our opinions/experiences...
I have lived and loved for quite a while in Asia... and yes you are right about chemistry and feeling comfortable but *gross generalization alert* I have found that Asian men ahem change their attitudes a tad once the fish is caught per say... but experience teaches so if I was to go there again I know what would be expected (not that I would ever be able to understand)...
As you rightly noted 'family value'...
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by mastermagic (257 days ago)
I know many local HK (not ABC or Filipinos or Main Landers) girls who would not date Western Men just due to the cultural differences and I know alot of single local women.
They do become a little desperate once past 30 and so lower their standards.
There are alot of local women past or about to hit 30, who would marry a local guy who she would not even date let alone look at when she was younger. They end up marrying the nerdy office guys who could never ever get a date.
I asked them why and basically, their values have changed and fun and good looks are not a priority but security and family values are more important and these nerdier guys can give them financial security and will dedicate themselves more to the girls than the playboy types that these women liked when they were younger
I think you don't see alot of Local men chasing western women mainly because of cultural differences and I guess the main thing would be LANGUAGE. If their english is not that good, they would not have the confidence to approach a western women.
The local guys also think western women are more troublesome and probably too much work.
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by Loyd Grossman is Miss Venezuela (257 days ago)
Can someone explain why 'family values' should stop a man approaching a woman?
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by expathub (257 days ago)
i don't think it's family values that stops men approaching women .. it's family values ie, cultural values, that stop Asian men dating western women. Big difference. There are still a lot of traditional Chinese families in Hk, with strong Confucian values. Does that help at all, Loyd (must say, I think I prefer Miss Venezuela...)
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by bing2 (257 days ago)
aijin,
what do you mean they change their attitude? i personally did not change my attitude towards my partner and ex-partner. i prefer western women's mind set and way of thinking compare to chinese/ asian women who are more needy and actually need more work. western women are more independent and they dont expect too much out of a guy, well at least not in my case.
not that i dont like chinese/ asian women, they are great too but as i said before it is all about connection and chemistry between two people.
also, western women are really good in bed....hahaha.....please dont be offended....this is only personal view.......peace out!
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Aijin (partly perpetual) (256 days ago)
In my limited experience for example... after we started living together it was expected that I would have made breakfast, done the laundry and cleaned the house before he awoke...
That's what is 'normal' apparently... but I would not understand being a western woman, apparently.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by bing2 (256 days ago)
really? well, you should dump him.....hahaha.....
i guess you probably dated a really, really local guy.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by kh888 (256 days ago)
Wow…this is such an interesting thread to read…Western girls in China, here I come!!!
(I am based in Guangzhou)

Posted by nicenick78 (256 days ago)
Part of the problem in HK is the feeling of insecurity which is felt by HK people generally. The people here are embarrassed by their English skills and they genuinely feel like their place in the world is a bit uncertain I think.
Having the English telling you your language and culture are deficient for 100 yrs will do that to you. Hence the fascination and sycophantic behaviour.
I think the other issue is a basic issue with how women think and who they are attracted to.
Women more than anything else I think are attracted to a man with a higher social status than them. Its not really about money or looks or anything else, its purely a situation where they want an ego boost out of being seen with someone of a high social status. Which is why women of all ages love celebrities.
For HK women this is even more pronounced because for their entire lives they have been swooned over and protected by their families. They dont leave home like western people do at around 18 or 19 yrs of age, they will live at home until marriage. Not only that but they have maids and nannys running around after them, ever wondered why few HK women like to cook?
So basically what they seek is that same feeling of security...the best chance for that is with a western man, because we assume higher status in HK society (thank the British Empire for that).
The more insecure a woman is the more secure her partner needs to be, hence the high expectations of squid person above.
Thats what I see anyway, feel free to disgree!
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by expathub (256 days ago)
Aijin, it seems he treats you more like a maid than a wife. I note you say "living together" .. does that imply you are not married? Not that I'm judging, but it would sure make it easier to walk away, which is what I suggest you do, before committing yourself to perpetual servitude.
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by elsdon (256 days ago)
Haha I think the reality of the situation is, for better or for worse, you can call it racism or whatever you want.. But, some western women just don't like asian men. Whether it's the way we look, or whatever stigma we may carry (small tools etc?), who knows. But I think that's a contributing factor as to why a lot of the local dudes don't go after you gals.. Being shut down hard in the past by some ice cold racism is rough on anyone's ego.
I'm chinese, but I was born in Canada and grew up as the only chinese kid in my city more or less. I spent most of my adolescent life dating 'western' (let's not beat around the bush anymore, White) women. From personal experience, there's always a bit of an ethnic barrier that must be broken down and it helps being a bit of a masochist.
Fear of rejection is something universal in humans all around the world. It's not specific to men or women or people in Hong Kong etc. This being said, I don't think that's the sole reason why you girls aren't getting approached.
If I've had hotter girls than you hit on me before, why would I bother putting in the effort for you. It's not like I can see your personality through the bottom of my pint or something, so at a bar/club/etc where it's just a huge meat market, don't sit/stand there expecting to be approached.
Any of the girls hot enough to motivate a man to approach them would have one (or more) already. If you find yourself asking yourself why men in Hong Kong are pussies or cowards it's not that, it's just that you just aren't that hot (or 'intriguing' for a more politically correct term.) So, adjust your behaviour and expectations accordingly. I'm not saying 'settle' for some ugly nerd, but perhaps you need to broaden your acceptable scope of possible suitors, that's all.
Elsdon
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by Aijin (partly perpetual) (256 days ago)
expat/bing... twas a few years ago and yup I did walk... shame really as prior to moving in he was as cool as... just the expectations changed upon 'settling'... he suddenly wanted and expected a lil woman/traditional wife/homemaker... spontaneous sex also stopped - that was for the bedroom... and no PDA's allowed etc *smh*
Anyhows that was then... since I dated another local guy but that was going nowhere as he was from quite a known family and would be expected to marry into another family...
Now erm... next!
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by expathub (256 days ago)
How about, in this age of emancipation, western women grab the bull by the testicles, so to speak, and make the first move?
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by bing2 (256 days ago)
aijin,
i hope at least you learned something about asian/ chinese men....but most importantly i hope you had some hot sex with them......hahahaha.........
anyway, chinese men are still quite traditional although most of them wont admit it. when it comes to marriage, their family's opinion is very important to them. for some reason, chinese men need the blessing of their family to take a bride home. i would say this is bs but this is the way it is here.
for your next target, if you are looking for some hot, successfull and adventerous local men, i know plenty of them.....hahaha.......j/k
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by kanevast (256 days ago)
Western men come to Asia for Asian women....if we wanted a western woman we would stay in our own countries, its not that either of the two are better or worse than each other its just a personal preference.
Different mentalities and cultural upbringings attract different people.
Im 23, Australian (male) and teaching English here, that puts me in a higher pay bracket than most girls i meet by at least 3x, It makes me a very attractive option to most Asian girls (which i enjoy of course - who doesn't enjoy being attractive to the majority of people you see?) I don't like the western mentality/cultural upbringing in what i want as a girl friend, thats why im in China.
I'm not saying that western girls are wrong to be here, I'm just saying that expecting western men to pay attention to 1 western girl when we see on average 15 to 25 extremely attractive Chinese girls every day is stretching the expectation a bit far.........
Western men here are not all players or just trying pump and dump (a lot of them are) it's a combination of the ego we develop from having so many girls interested in us and their own personalities, I'm 6f1 blond hair blue eyes and I have a good well muscled body - I had multiple gfs going for my first few months here and then i met one girl who was different/special to me so im going solo with her.
I have a few western male friends who played the field for the first year or so and now have steady live in girlfriends (Chinese) who are happy with their relationships.
Hope it helps give some understanding.
(I am based in Shanghai)

Posted by dicelady (256 days ago)
i also very interested why so many (western) women need men more than men need women here but why don't ask them our questions directly? If someone want to know the mind of chinese woman, it is welcome to feel free to ask me or how about the the image of native chinese men for me .
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by kanevast (256 days ago)
dicelady, Please tell me what appeals to you about chinese men vs western men, tell me what you think is good about both groups and also how you perceive western women?
It's a classic stereotype but I have to say I don't see why so many western women complain....I mean sure there's few available western men for them but you'd think with 600 million chinese men they could find a good one, Shanghaiese men seem to be really good towards their women, carry bags, cook, look after them in every way possible.
(I am based in Shanghai)
Posted by Aijin (partly perpetual) (255 days ago)
I want a roof terrace... and a 'husband' who is otherwise occupied per say...
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by selda (255 days ago)
I noticed that this thread went from being about the skewed ratio of men to women (a fact) to something more disturbing... Chinese women vs Western women.
Let's stop talking about ethnicity, and just take a sober look at the data. Statistics reveal that there are more women than men, and that a lot of these men marry women from across the border.
If HK women were a bit more pro-active in love matters, they would start doing the same thing, looking to the mainland, where the opposite is true (not enough women).
As justin credible said, if you have the right attitude, men will never be scarce, even in HK.
By right attitude i mean letting your hair down, enjoying your life, being open to new encounters, going to parties, smiling, following your interests, and having realistic expectations about men.
We all know that when we are in a happy relationship more men are actually attracted to us. I never get so much attention as when i have just left my bf's flat. Maybe because i am relaxed and still exuding sex hormones...who knows, but i know that men with sexual hang ups are not very attractive, so it might be true for women as well.
I have a friend in Europe who is a living proof of this. She can go for 6 months without a date, and then once she starts going out with a guy she inevitably finds herself in a very complicated situation, with at least 3 men pursuing her at the same time, and she can't choose!
So, all it takes is a
(I am based in Unspecified)


Posted by flashback (255 days ago)
Well, look I think it is hard enough finding a good friend... The reality is that if it were only about numbers, it would be easy really, but it's not. A lot of people don't want a relationship, and go home quietly on the #10 bus to their cats or goldfish not in the least bit perturbed by hormones racing through their body demanding attention, so effectively out of the game. Not everyone is out there carousing the streets looking for the ideal partner... many people prefer a single life, and that is very rewarding. However, there are others who are actively engaging in social life in order to find a partner. I think it's really unlikely that people will find someone who is perfect for them, but highly likely they'll find someone desperate to entertain the idea for a while and perhaps kid themselves that you are their one and only until fundamental differences untangle the whole facade. It's well known that single people are often mostly in short term relationships, and that it's more usual than not for these to be over within three months. So, expect it.
I've been single for a long time, but have dated a lot of different men, and as JC says, each has brought an interesting dimension into my life... but settle down together we haven't, and I can honestly thank my lucky stars for that, as I really do think that it is important to find someone who is good for you, not someone who simply wants a relationship. And that is hard, or perhaps impossible... but shoot me for it, I couldn't bear the trade offs one would have to make for regular sex with someone one detested or didn't respect etc....
How many people do you know that you really connect with? How many of those do you feel you could have a sexual relationship with? How many of that nominate group do you think you could actually live with...? As the process narrows and refines, so do the number of the candidates... Often no one left... but you, and that could be the best thing.
I think you can meet a lot of men in Hong Kong. I certainly have... but I haven't met one who loved me the way I want to be loved. I understand Aijin's disgust at the cooking the breakfast and doing the laundry... Man, I'd be out of there too... While practical matters need to be attended to... that's hopefully not why we couple.
I genuinely believe we can't force these things. Be happy in yourself first... that is challenging enough. I certainly wouldn't couple with someone just because they were available and the numbers added up. It's not like that, and most of us know it.
Forget the numbers, keep your standards, and let whatever will be be... but stay active and interested in the game of life... however you play it.
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by Aijin (partly perpetual) (254 days ago)
Nice words as always flashback... I have had a blast dating here in HK... variety is indeed the spice of life but do agree, especially as you get ahem a tad older and I guess wiser, it is tres difficult to find someone that you would settle with as relationships really do need a lot of effort and selflessness...
So all you can really do is enjoy the meantime and if all else fails drop kiwi fruit on potential suitors from your roof terrace...
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by bing2 (254 days ago)
"We all know that when we are in a happy relationship more men are actually attracted to us. I never get so much attention as when i have just left my bf's flat. Maybe because i am relaxed and still exuding sex hormones...who knows, but i know that men with sexual hang ups are not very attractive, so it might be true for women as well."
hahaha.....if you are hot you will always get a lot of attention from guys, if you are not ....hahaha......doesnt matter if you just had sex for 10 times that day, no guys will give you attention........
we, guys, are quite shallow.......indeed......hahaha.......
agree with flashback, gotta be active....this is the key for meeting men, but then again, hahaha,....you gotta be hot......hahaha.....
men are shallow and will always be shallow.........hahaha..........
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by My Hong Kong (253 days ago)
hahaha..........
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by magnolia_khan (253 days ago)
well said flashback.
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by ravishing (253 days ago)
you know something, i am an indian female and our girlfriends are open to guys coming and talking to us etc. However everywhere we look they are snogging local women they have just met. So to the jerk who suggest we learn from them sorry - I have never snogged anyone I have just met on the dance floor and some of them look like they need a hotel room on the dance floor- we are not prudes by any means but sorry to say even the expat chinese girls that come to hongkong say this as a joke. Hi I am gweilo - Come and F---- me !!!! We have time for you guys we are there where everyone hangs out, we are approachable etc but no some of these guys do is just beeline for the local women thinking they can get some tonight. I mean how many times have we seen that in pubs and bars etc. My other girlfriends has female friends that are gorgeous and she said in the 4 years she has been inhongkong not one male guy has approoached them !!!!!!1
If after reading this, there is a decent guy who wants to get to know someone etc then they are welcome to contact us. Otherwise please take a trip to langkwai fong, and you will see the gweilo - chinese lady phenomenon.
over and out
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by happyribbed (252 days ago)
hi ravishing, surely there are enough decent guys out there who want to get known someone...
but seeing the way you're finishing your post "over and out" I would walk straight past you and try to find someone with a more positive attitude and big smile on the face
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Loyd Grossman is Miss Venezuela (252 days ago)
That's fine Flashback but do you ask the same questions of yourself as you ask of other people?
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Yujanice (252 days ago)
Ravishing, I never trust the bar scenes...There are not the ideal place to find a decent guy.
Guys are the same finally I supposed, they are all looking for the same thing and same as gals.
Yet I quite agree expathub that HK gals have $$$in their eyes which is more significatnt than western gals. please don't offended hk gals and it is normal in this circumstance. Guys are so crap here, they never promise, never act like a man, their only function is carrying their gf's hangbag, or paying for the tickets...
They like go out or on the contrary they just hiding at home.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by skysthelimit (252 days ago)
get out and get active...as much fun as it is the bar scene will get you nowhere
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by flashback (252 days ago)
Yes... LGIMV I do. I think your question was answered in the post. But... rather immaterial don't you think? When posting do we need to affix statements such as: "This advice comes from someone who has done X,Y and Z and has found it really works"? I mean I have no problem doing that if you wish. I try not to comment on matters I have no personal experience of. As I happen to be in the sub-set of single 50+ women, and widowed for 12 years, I have some experience of the issue of being alone, and have, I think successfully, managed the challenge that poses.
However, will you require such disclaimers of us all? How about yourself?
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Loyd Grossman is Miss Venezuela (252 days ago)
Flashback, you said, "How many people do you know that you really connect with? How many of those do you feel you could have a sexual relationship with? How many of that nominate group do you think you could actually live with...? As the process narrows and refines, so do the number of the candidates... Often no one left... but you, and that could be the best thing." I asked myself the same question and came up with a number of about 2 million in HK alone. My criteria for a long-term/short-term partners are as follows: 1) Must be female at birth 2) Mustn't be physically repulsive but plain is okay 3) Must be in my age range (say 6 years either side 4) Must have a reasonable grasp of personal hygiene and manners
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by flashback (252 days ago)
Well it seems you are one of the lucky ones LGIMV who will live happily ever after seeing as you are so easily accommodated.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by XXXXX (251 days ago)
"In my limited experience for example... after we started living together it was expected that I would have made breakfast, done the laundry and cleaned the house before he awoke...
That's what is 'normal' apparently... "
According to my Chinese girl friend who is married to a same age white man for 10 years, she is expected to do all the laundry, cook meals, clean up dishes and clean the house day in day out. Apparently that is what his 'normal' expectations are.
What is the difference? She said she is going to ditch him and start a new life.
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by pcmdg (251 days ago)
oh honey...you need to change your expectation - upward!!. I am simply amazed by the comments in this thread. My boyfriend, a western guy, offers to do my washing, he cooks my dinner - and breakfast and lunch - why" because he loves to cook, and I love that he loves to cook (I am a crap cook:-) !! he makes me coffee, and is great looking and great in bed. And I met him when I had only been in the hong kong for a few weeks. I am a wonderful girlfriend, I love my own space, i appreciate him (for his talents and for his shortfalls) and I deserve to be looked after - he is greatly appreciated and feels appreciated - he is a wonderful man. Mostly I make him laugh a lot, and he always puts a smile on my dial! Within a few hours of our first date, he knew that i am not a great cook, i like my own space, and that i am happy within myself, who i am, and what i stand for - as is he...that leads to some interesting discussion on occasion. there are fabulous men out there - being the maid is great if that is what makes you happy and is your chosen profession - if not, time to set some new boundaries or be on your own.
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by bing2 (250 days ago)
hahaha, i'm laughing my a** out .....
everything is beautiful at the beginning......
my first 12 months with any gf: ok, honey, what do you want? can i cook you dinner, buy you lunch, take your laundry, etc....
hehehe, just wait after 12, max 24 months.......you'll see......if your super bf is still the same......
and dont send me hate mails.......if he changes and not that in to you anymore.......
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by squidburger* (247 days ago)
<dicelady, 'Please tell me what appeals to you about chinese men vs western men, tell me what you think is good about both groups and also how you perceive western women?'>
I'd like to hear an answer. So what about it dice?
I once asked a girl what she thought of Asian men and how she felt about the assumption that western women weren't into them. She said that wasn't true and said all her girlfriends were interested in dating Asian men.
Observation suggests that has to be the exception not the rule, unless it's not that some won't date an 'Asian Man' but rather which Asian Man
Anyway China's on the up and up maybe the dice will start rolling in a different direction, and in the end doesn't it all boil down to marketing?
personally i think it's all down to physiology - you look at the average physique of the Asian Male and that of a western female and there's not a great deal of difference there, minus the obvious of course, that's has to be a factor
but people are 'sheep' are they not? If people saw more Asian Men / western women pairings around, they'd start thinking it was more acceptable and even possible, and then they'd be more likely to give it a try
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by bing2 (247 days ago)
i would like to ask you squid, why you used the word "acceptable"? you think asian men dating western women is not acceptable? and what do you mean "minus the obvious"?
when you say it's all down to physiology, are you refering to asian men being "undersize"?
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by beachball (245 days ago)
"I asked myself the same question and came up with a number of about 2 million in HK alone. My criteria for a long-term/short-term partners are as follows: 1) Must be female at birth 2) Mustn't be physically repulsive but plain is okay 3) Must be in my age range (say 6 years either side 4) Must have a reasonable grasp of personal hygiene and manners"
Maths/statistics clearly not LGIMV's strong suit - no 10-year age band in Hong Kong has anywhere near 1 million women in it, so the number of 2 million is off by a multiple even before the other criteria are taken into consideration...
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by squidburger* (242 days ago)
LGIMV's problem is that he thinks he's Jason Bourne when perhaps he's just Jason Bored
to answer your question Bing, apologies, since i didn't mean to offend, when I said people would start thinking it's more 'acceptable' i was talking about a simultaneous change in perception on both sides - if we saw more Asian men dating western women, Asian men will start to believe that western women are willing to date them and vice versa as well as western women thinking fellow westerners have found some common ground that makes them happy to date an Asian man which may make them more curious to investigate
As for the 'obvious', i wasn't talking about the Asian male 'myth' but i was talking about the female upper region. Asian men do have relatively slender builds and western women may not like that. Sad but true
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by bing2 (241 days ago)
apology accepted squid. well, in my opinion western women like any kind of race or most of us, it's just that whether we like that particular person and have some kind of connection with that person. i am for one does not have any preference of race/ background. if i like that person, i dont care what's her race/ background.
could be true about asian men being small. after all women are mostly attracted to men with broad shoulder.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by subaru (241 days ago)
GOODNESS GRACIOUS, Sounds like Farmers discussing their Cattle Ranches!!!
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by wellington (48 days ago)
I have written a lot about relationships "relax mother its only sex"and "older men make better lovers" etc. all a little tongue in cheek but reading the above makes me wonder if we are looking at mediocre options for possible better choices.
It seems to me that we have an obligation to be interesting and live life to the full, I think we forget that we are here but once....................so how to solve the problem of finding an interesting guy without throwing your self naked down the stairs in LKF.
Here are some pointers which from a man's perspective which may be helpfull.
What do men look for in woman?
First and above all they have to look clean,presentable not in an overtly fashionable way(men are afraid of labeled ladies) they have to be able to converse ,that means two way talking,not just about you but about all sorts.
Its easy just read the papers,to be frank with you no one is intereseted in money or what you can afford( men fear sucessfull woman) so above all be your self.
One more thing,rememeber you are the superior species(if men gave birth the world would be de populated) so plan a simple strategy.
Approach any guy you find intereseting and ask any question but make the effort and you may be surprised to find he like you is also looking.
The best one's make you cringe but they seem to work,"do you come here often,is this seat free,if you could take me for a cofee where would it be"
lee du ploy
(I am based in Hong Kong)


Posted by SmartestGuy (48 days ago)
with Due respects to all....
I am from Middle east but have studied my College education in London and have traveled widely in china, hongkong, taiwan, korea, vietnam, singapore, thailand etc many times. I noticed one thing ubiquitously common in these asian countries : young and beautiful asian girls go around with elderly western men. Being an young man, I used to wonder what is it that attracts these young girls towards older western men. Yes, as you rightly guessed, nothing but the dollars and or a ray of hope for a comfortable post married life, in case these white men decide to marry them. These men thoroughly enjoy these girls who are as old as their grand children and also they keep changing women at different times and places. Shanghai and Bangkok are two greatest places of examples.
What stops Asian men from approaching western women, nothing but their inferiority complex, becoz the women are tall, beautiful and have a sexy body. They feel inferior to approach these women thinking that they dont match the physical attraction possessed by the western men.
Most of the ads placed by women in asiaxpat irrespective of location, prefer caucasians and not the local men. If you analyze these ads, most of them want a sould mate and not a player, which clearly says that every woman had few players in their past affairs. If you go deep into this you will understand that these women have yielded to the advances of the Playing men. So, there is no point in just blaming the men. There is a saying in Enlgish : FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU; FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME... this is applicable for everyone.
So my suggestion to the women is, please think twice, thrice, before you end up yourself in the bedroom of a man. who knows he is not one of the players around your town? ?Dont contribute to making more players around your town. Cheers..
Sunny
(I am based in Dubai City)
(I am based in Dubai)


Posted by vallient (48 days ago)
OK, this thread seems to be getting of course. Here is the simple easy to remember, its ugly but its the truth rule... Men and woman are as committed as their options. Brief explanation: Everyday in a relationship we do a cost/benefit analysis on our partner. It the costs exceed the benefit we dip into our relationship bank and withdraw some of the other persons stored relationship currency, when the bank runs dry we leave/break up/divorce. What's the difference between men/woman, old/young, local/foreign? First, its the criteria we use to do that cost/benefit analysis. Second, its how big the currency bank is. People with fewer option tend to have lower, and fewer criteria, and larger pools of relationship currency in the bank...
Here's an example, Older guy (mid 40's), decent job (recruiter), average shape (not fat but not athletic) and looks (not ugly but nothing sexy either). His younger (late 20's), local (chinese), low end job (office assistant), pretty (Black hair, black eyes, not overweight, A cup). One day he picks her up outside her office and takes her to dinner at a nice restraunt as a surprise. She thinks he's so sweet and not only thinks he's a great guy but deposits some relationship currency in the bank. Now a week later, no call from him on friday. She thinks about him and thinks she should be treated better then this, and takes a withdrawl from the relationship bank. A week later he forgets her birthday, and she thinks this is enough he doesn't really care for her, and he's old anyway. She leaves a message on his voice mail that night thats its not working out and they shouldn't be together anymore.
(I am based in Guangzhou)

Posted by Ringo23 (47 days ago)
Perhaps local ladies should reevaluate their opening gambits and try asking face to face instead of posting in personals.
5 minutes of face to face can say so much about a person than years online, in my opinion.
In 16 years of living in HK, I've been approached by one lady. She was Japanese, here on business.
I'm athletic, medium/tall, 30" waist, blue eyes and now 38. I'm an outdoors guide with my own business. Money is not great but I don't do what I do to be financially rich.
I'm certainly no oil painting but then I'm better than a Pollock...
In 16 years I've not been approached by one local lass. Of the ladies I've approached, the majority have been receptive.
"Things" don't arrive on your lap, people.
If you want it, go and get it. Don't just dream about it and then wonder why it never happens.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by cyberience (46 days ago)
Well there is a nice guy here, and Ladies don't evem call because they fear meeting one of the bad Guys.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by CaptDave (45 days ago)
There are plenty of single men, but a lot of Ladies are quite fussy. While there are a lot of good men, there are very, very few perfect men, and most women have a problem understanding that the perfect man is going to marry a better woman that them.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by sistim (29 days ago)
Years ago, I met a woman who worked at a British embassy in the region & interviewed couples wanting a spouse visa - 99% British guys marrying local women, rarely the other way. She found that the women, having become more independent in recent years, wanted a western man as they thought he wouldn't expect them to morph into a housewife. The guys were often marrying local women because they wanted a sweet, submissive wife. Often she'd ask what the wife planned to do in the UK- and it would develop into a bit of a row because they'd say they wanted to work & the guy would say Oh no, you're not....
she said she sometimes wanted to offer the girls a student visa so they could go to the UK And find someone better, if they were that desperate!
She had no figures on divorce rates....
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by martialartslady (29 days ago)
I have to agree with CaptDave.
HK women in their 30s and 40s want men who are rich, handsome, not too old and in a good job. Now, that is tough as these men want women in their 20s.
Many ladies won't accept a man who has been divorced or is not Chinese or is not educated or is not rich or is younger than them or all of the above.
I have been asked by my many single female friends to introduce single male friends to them. When I ask my single male friends, they end up not knowing what they want or they are just out for fun.
I must admit that some of these male friends, much as they are my friends, I will not wish them on my worst enemy.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by PizzaAce (27 days ago)
HK women in their 30s and 40s deserve to be single. They left it too late and were probably too picky when they were younger. Not one sympathetic tear from me.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Dr Strangelove (26 days ago)
Well, as a divorced guy who has used dating sites in HK in an attempt to meet local women, I can tell you my experience has not been positive. Many of the local ladies go straight for the jugular and ask what your salary/financial position is before even asking for a photo. It is almost as if they base there selection criteria upon this rather than anything else. I can only say that would be akin to a guy only wanting to date women who had a certain bust size or shape and to hell with personality etc.
I have had other women reject me because I am divorced with ongoing financial responsibilities to my ex and my children. However, I am perfectly open to having a relationship with a lady who has children from a previous marriage if, of course, we click. However, it doesn't seem to cut both ways. HK is a dating graveyard.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Adam_Khorraza (25 days ago)
Well guys, its just matter of luck and besides it depends how much you participate in the search of Mr. Right and Miss. Perfect, Hong Kong still have lots of stuff to check out, I must say HK girls are just so awesome, you actually have to blend into culture and system to get to the right person, not all girls in HK are materialistic !!
(I am based in Hong Kong)
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Hk guy? (25 days ago)
agree with adam k. hk is a sex and p@ssy paradise. takes some work to blend in and be able to chat with the women but totally worth it.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by mycalho (20 days ago)
Hey PizzaAce ...... I totally agree with you ..... Especially if they are educated, you dont stand a chance unless you are Mr Rich and Handsome.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Loyd Grossman is Miss Venezuela (19 days ago)
Lee du Ploy. How could you possibly know? Just for background, a lot of these boxers Nigel Benn, Mike Tyson (before he went mad/bust) and countless others went around in flash cars. According to you, these means they are not well-hung. Bet you wouldn't say that to their face. Unless you are some kind of motoring enthusiast, a flash car is basically a challenge.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by lynedavid (19 days ago)
Wanting to "be with someone" is already on the wrong track. You are, or you not. Make the best of either one of your situation, stop "looking" for something you dont want to have or want anymore ...
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by tutorjoanna (16 days ago)
Why is having a partner a necessity? Why do ppl make the women sound so desperate when they talk about women looking for a partner? I think the correct attitude is to look for someone who will add sth onto your life and vice versa. It is not a necessity to have someone. You should be happy with yourself first and then you are in the right place to look for a partner who should be a bonus rather than a necessity.
I don't think anyone needs to feel sorry for anyone or jump to the conclusion that if they are not with someone now, they must be picky. Isn't it far better to know what you want and look for that? Why is lowering the bar out of sheer loneliness and desperation seen as more correct? It is like pre-formulating disappointment into a relationship before it even gets started. Being on one's own is far better than being stuck in a relationship with someone you don't even like. And I have seen too many men who are in the latter position looking for a bit on the side.
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by hotchocolate (15 days ago)
Its not right to generalize. There is a right guy / girl for everyone, no matter what age you're at, you just have to keep your eyes (and mind) open.
I've experienced something quite different since I started dating again a few months ago... that is I have had a few 'younger' men approached me this time whereas it had never happened in the past.... Not that this is bad, I was quite thrilled actually, but being a Chinese, most of us would have hard time accepting a younger man no matter how good he is... one or two years is ok but not five or more...
So maybe not all men in their 30's or 40's are looking for girls in their 20s after all (cos I am in my early 40s).
(I am based in Hong Kong)
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