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eBook readers in HK?
Posted by sully (128 days ago)
Hi, does anyone know where to buy eBook readers in HK or how to source from UK/US? I have seen one in Dymock's HK but it's an iLiad which is hopelessly expensive (HK$7,200. A Sony is only HK$2k equiv in UK or US).
Would love to get hold of a Kindle DX, or Sony. SonyStyle does not have it!
Always amazes me that they are all made in China yet can't buy them in HK.
Any available in Shenzhen?
(I am based in Hong Kong)
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Posted by sully (114 days ago)
Thanks for the tip Ingtmm84. In a separate thread, Ling7777 suggested tarazz.com for web shopping including electronics. i might try this. The Kindle DX is H$4,560. Expensive (20% premium to the US Amazon $ price) but still much $2,550 (35%) cheaper than the inferior iLaid at Dymocks.
The Kindle 2 is HK$3,000... even better but 6in screen.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by axptguy38 (114 days ago)
If the rumored "iTablet" comes out soon all those readers are going to die a rapid and painful death anyway. ;)
"Always amazes me that they are all made in China yet can't buy them in HK. "
Yes it is rather ironic. Same thing for lots of electronics.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by sully (114 days ago)
ah, but the diff is that eBook readers are not back-lit (i.e. use e-ink, less power and less eye strain) where as an apple iThingy will gobble juice faster than a Hummer (as most iPhne users will know).
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Highway-9 (112 days ago)
There are a bunch of more universal readers in the pipeline.
Make sure you select one that is not tied to a single source such as Amazon for, as with the iPhone, the supplier dictates what you can do. Also, consider basic tablet computers with added features. USB connections are handy for E-readers.
Check out models with E-paper, a truly amazing output material.
(I am based in Vietnam)
Posted by Highway-9 (103 days ago)
Have a look at the Sony PRS-505 e-reader.
Unlike the Kindle the Sony can be modfied. See: < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/11/how_to_hack_sony_reader/ >
Now you can have a truly universal reader you load with texts of your own choice. Remember, Gutenberg (use Google) and many others have free texts for lrgal download.
(I am based in Vietnam)
Posted by Steve Sutherland (102 days ago)
I've tried Tarazz.com's services in Singapore, the extra you are paying for is actually air freight charges, so that you will get your package within the promised 7 to 14 days. If you select premium delivery on Amazon i believe it should work out to be the same.
(I am based in Singapore)
Posted by Highway-9 (71 days ago)
Thousands of free download titles are available on the InterNet in every format EXCEPT Kindle.
Maybe this should be the reason NOT to buy Kindle.
(I am based in Vietnam)
Posted by Highway-9 (59 days ago)
Potential E-book buyers should read:
< http://www.thebigmoney.com/features/kindle-chronicles/2009/09/24/fork-e-reader-road >.
Remember the Kindle downloads are closed (almost everything has to come through Amazon - even much of your own stuff which requires conversion) whereas many other systems are OPEN meaning you can load in your own books, etc. many of which are available on-line in many formats.
There are also e-book converters so books for one system can be loaded on to other systems.
(I am based in Vietnam)
Posted by sully (59 days ago)
Now that looks more like it.
Yet, alas, i doubt we would see it in HK.
Frankly, i don't see why ebook readers can't do for books what the iPod did for music. MP3 players are a one-trick ponies (albeit more bells and whistles to keep up with the Jones). Why not the same for the written word... it will liberate so much.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Highway-9 (58 days ago)
There is software, Readerworks Publisher v2, that allows you to convert between different e-book standards and even make your own. Free download or a full-featured paid version.
(I am based in Vietnam)
Posted by axptguy38 (58 days ago)
"Frankly, i don't see why ebook readers can't do for books what the iPod did for music. "
Because Apple haven't made one yet. I jest, but what I mean is that there hasn't been a really cool one that is perceived as BETTER than books yet, combined with good marketing/design.
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by Z (58 days ago)
I actually own a Kindle, and I can tell you all that people who say that everything must come from amazon are just flat wrong. Kindle can read .mobi files, so you can download from feedbooks, from baen free library, from project gutenberg, etc. Also can use calibre to download periodicals to kindle [we have cancelled our subscription to the Economist as we now download for free each week...]. Plus, Amazon makes available many out of copyright works available free of charge, downloadable directly from their website, and there are lots of new books that are free-for-a-limited-time.
As far as I can tell, the biggest issue with getting a Kindle out here is that Amazon doesn't ship electronics overseas. Other than that, it is trivially easy to download books, etc. There is still a lag phase, though, so many books in the window between out of copyright and just published aren't yet available.
And I love it so very very much. Just took a trip back to the US and didn't have to reserve an entire piece of luggage for books. In fact, I love it so much that I'd rather pay US$10 for a bestseller that I'm hot to read than buy a bootleg copy on the street for US$2-3. I was a reluctant adopter -- if we didn't live abroad, there's no way that I'd have one -- but I do think that it is better than books.
(I am based in Beijing)

Posted by Highway-9 (58 days ago)
Z:
The Kindle is locked whereas the Sony, etc. use Linux which is an open system and means that it can easily be adapted for more uses. You can even author your own materials for display on other devices.
And having Amazon remove products from your device is a no-no. Your machine, your control (unless you subscribe to Apple policies).
When you say 'download' do you mean you have to use Amazon to forward your stuff to you via e-mail, etc?
Sony has a USB connector so you do not require a radio connection.
As you implied, Amazon has little support outside North America whereas the others are world wide.
(I am based in Vietnam)

Posted by Z (56 days ago)
No, I mean that I can download stuff to my laptop and then use a USB connection to push it over to my kindle, exactly the same as you do with your sony gadget. I don't know where you get your information that everything has to come from amazon, but it is just flat incorrect. amazon will keep a record of everything that you have purchased from them, which is lovely, as you can easily add another kindle to your account and have access to all the books you have already purchased without having to store them locally, but I download books from lots of places.
Kindle has a wireless connection that you can use to buy books while in the US -- or do some basic web browsing, and that is the thing that doesn't work overseas. Instead, you need to download via USB -- same as for your sony. I actually did not imply that amazon has little support overseas; my understanding is that they do not ship any electronics overseas [kindle or ipod or tv, etc] because of the increased risk of damage, loss, etc. However, when I first received my Kindle [sent it to a friend who was coming out for a visit], Amazon tech support was happy enough to help me even though I did not live in N America [or England or any other country where they sell the Kindle].
When I was deciding between the two, I considered price and convenience. Kindle more expensive than Sony, but when I looked at a handful of books that I was considering purchasing, the average price of books was less via amazon than through sites that offered books for the Sony. Plus, let's face it, Amazon is a 300 pound gorilla in the book business, and it is lovely to not need to chase things down across multiple sites.
I didn't care two bits about being able to author my own materials for display on other devices, but my understanding of such things is that you'd normally do the initial creation of such documents via Office and then convert to a .mobi or .azw file or another format that is accessible to ebook readers [such as .pdf].
And not that I am in the business of defending Amazon, but the instances of Amazon removing products from Kindles have all been instances where a third party uploaded a bootleg copy of a copyrighted work to amazon.com. Yes, I think that it is much better to do the policing before such things are available for download, but I am not all that torn up that they do not want to disseminate illegal copies.
(I am based in Beijing)

Posted by sully (43 days ago)
The DR800SG looks good (as mentioned by Highway-9 above). It has maz use of screen size rather than clogged up with key pads on Kindles. i was looking at a friend's Kindle and the screen went blah. half of it froze in the form of a previous screen. it has to go back to amazon.
Still photos of eBook readers on websites don't give a very good perspective of these things - here is a video hands on. stylus is a bit naff in this day and age. i presume a finger nail would suffice, but for me i would rather a stylus than key board.
http://cnettv.cnet.com/irex-dr800sg/9742-1_53-50077341.html
(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by Highway-9 (42 days ago)
To clarify my earlier post. Many formats can't be loaded directly into a Kindle, but the goal posts are constantly moving as the software (Java interface and Linux OS) are brought up to date.
The download rates rates for non-conforming documents (through the Personal Document Service) has increased substantially and in the UK there is a 40% premium. Another problem arising is different rates for different countries and a 'roaming' rate. The conversion is free!
This is to say users will be paying a minimum of 50% more than they used to.
Kindles problems are many. (1) The downloads are closed (there is a DRM 'fix') whereas other systems allow sharing between different systems, some up to 5. The DRM filetype is: .AZW, but it supports non=DRMed Mobipocket books (.MOBI, .PRC), .TXT files, HTML, and Word (DOCx).; (2) Filetype .PDF is now supported (USB or download); (3) There are only two fonts (fixed) - Caecilia and Neue Helvetica, both by Linotype - the font is determined by the download but font SIZE can be adjusted (6); (4) UK subscribers have to order the Kindle from the US website and then wait ... until it is shipped across the Pond; (5) Kindle colour is white - great for highlighting dirt and fingerprints; (6) The international version is different from the North American version as it uses 3G for downloads (administered by those closed shop guys at AT&T - think iPhone). This eliminates the need for a computer for downloads BUT read on below. There is also a concern about consumer rights as the EU, and some other countries, are much tougher than the US. Canada, as usual, is not considered an 'international' country though Mexico is. Go figure; (7) Kindle uses Whispernet, uses EV-DO (Evolution Data Optimised) technology which only runs over CDMA networks, which is not supported in Europe. Unfortunately, GSM runs the world. In VietNam the CDMA network is being rolled-up and replaced with GSM! (8) Forget free web browsing or blog reading, as Sprint does in the US, in Europe and likely elsewhere in the world; (9) There are substantial differences between hardware and services in the US and elsewhere, so much so that there is minimal opportunity for an Kindle equivalent of cell roaming; (10) The competition, iRex, using Qualcomm's Gobi chipset to provide support for both CDMA and GSM networks; and Sony, which has stuck with GSM only todate; (11) The Kindle screen is small - 6" diagonally-measured screen whereas the Sony is 7" tall, while iRex offers 8.1" diagonal; (12) Kindle has a keyboard whilst the others allow scribbling with a finger (the Sony) or stylus (Sony and iRex).
The Kindle has a few things worth noting: (1) Kindle has a basic web browser and it has an Amazon search feature - hardly a Google; (2) Kindle can play MP3s copied to either the internal storage (180MB user usable) or SD card on a random shuffle basis; (3) Kindle can play Audible audiobooks, but not download them over the "Whispernet" EV-DO service. They have to be downloaded using the Audible manager on to a PC, then copied over via USB; (4) Documents for conversion can be sent to "username"@free.kindle.com and e-mailed back to your PC at the e-mail address associated pf your Amazon.com account. Then transfer the document using USB.
MY ADVICE, from a technicl point of view is to wait for the Barnes an Noble offering coming before Christmas or another company, Plastic Logic, who expects to release an e-reader next year.
Remember, eReaders are like cars, you need fuel. Amazon is like hydrogen fuel - it works but hard to find the pump. Open standards are by far the best. There are now software conversion programs to flatten the playing field; Kindle has been hacked and is, sort of, open; the are also software packages that allow D-I-Y reader document preparation.
My interest lies in the potential of using eReaders for manuals or guides. I am waiting, however, for the new Tablet computers - some with two pages (screens) - before deciding upon a final determination.
Kindle is too limited, needs radio access, contents are out of user control. Most importantly WHERE WILL REPAIRS BE DONE? A netbook only costs a little more but has so much more bang for the buck/pound/yuan.
(Please excuse typos - small smartphone keys operated by fat fingers!)
(I am based in Vietnam)

Posted by Highway-9 (40 days ago)
The following sentence on the Amazon web site appears for every country where the Kindle is to be sold:
"Blogs and the experimental web browser are currently not available for your country."
This is because the INTERNET FEATURE has been disabled for all countries EXCEPT the USA.
Now you have the answer to: "When is a Kindle not a Kindle?"
(I am based in Vietnam)

Posted by Highway-9 (38 days ago)
Google Targets E-Readers With Web-Based 'Editions'
FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Google plans to launch an online store to deliver electronic books to any device with a Web browser, threatening to upset a burgeoning market for dedicated e-readers dominated by Amazon's Kindle.
The Web search giant said Thursday it would launch Google Editions in the first half of next year, initially offering about half a million e-books in partnership with publishers with whom it already cooperates, where they have digital rights.
Readers will be able to buy e-books either from Google directly or from other online stores such as Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Google will host the e-books and make them searchable.
"We're not focused on a dedicated e-reader or device of any kind," Tom Turvey, Google's director of strategic partnerships, told journalists at the Frankfurt Book Fair.
The announcement comes a week after Amazon said it would introduce the Kindle into 100 countries outside the United States, pushing its leading position in a small but fast-growing market in which its competitors include Sony's Reader.
Technology research firm Forrester expects about 3 million e-readers to be sold in the United States this year, from a previous base of about 1 million, helped by lower prices, more content and better distribution.
Top U.S. bookseller Barnes & Noble has been reported to be planning an entry into the e-reader market to complement a large online bookstore it launched in July.
Google Editions will allow Google to make money for the first time out of one of its book ventures — which also include a controversial project to scan and index tens of millions of books through partnerships with libraries.Google will share revenue with publishers, and also with online retailers in cases where readers buy Google-hosted books through a retailer's site. It already partners with publishers to make their physical books searchable and available for sale.
Turvey said Google would give publishers 63 percent of revenues and keep 37 percent for itself where it sold e-books directly to consumers.
In cases where e-books were bought through other online retailers, publishers would get 45 percent and most of the remaining 55 percent would go to the retailer, with a small share for Google, he said.
Readers will be able to access e-books they have bought through Google on any device including PCs, laptops, netbooks and smartphones like Apple's iPhone through their gmail account, Google said.
The device need not be connected in order to read the book, after it has been accessed once, and payment can be made to Google through its online payment processing system Google Checkout, which stores users' details in a personal account.
Forrester media analyst Sarah Rotman Epps said Google would not necessarily steal market share from Amazon, although it would strengthen the position of others who support open standards usable across a range of devices, such as Sony's.
"Certainly it presents collective competition to Amazon, but for many consumers the word 'e-reader' is synonymous with the Kindle," she said.
Microsoft had also been rumored to be planning a reading device, but Chief Executive Steve Ballmer said last week it had no need, since it already supplied the software that runs the most popular device for electronic reading, the PC.
Google is also trying to settle a lawsuit in the United States with U.S. publishers and authors over its Google Books project, in which it has already scanned about 10 million books through partnerships with libraries and plans to scan many more.
Google wants to improve its Web search by including the bulk of the world's knowledge that is contained in books by indexing the books and displaying varying amounts in Web search results, depending on whether the books are in or out of copyright.
(I am based in Vietnam)

Posted by Highway-9 (36 days ago)
Now the Chinese have an eReader!
How about you try this little beauty straight from China. Dubbed GS601 E-ink, it looks different from any other reading device. Aside from that, the specs look rather mundane:
* Display: E Ink, 6-inch 800x600
* Size (in mm): 160x116x9
* Weight: 1kg (if true, it'd make it the heaviest e-book reader ever)
* Internal Memory: Flash?
* External memory: 1GB-16GB
* Connectivity: USB 2.0
* Battery: Lithium-Polymer 3.7V 1000mA
* Lifetime: "up to 20hrs" reading time or 16hrs audio playback
* Formats supported: TXT, DOC, PDB, PDF, JPG, BMP, MP3, WMA, APE, FLAC, AAC, WAV, OGG
Check: < http://www.gosund.com/shtml/88/20090723192.shtml >
as well as: < http://www.foxitsoftware.com/ebook/ >
(I am based in Vietnam)
Posted by sully (36 days ago)
Very nice comparison of what are probably the leaders in the field (at present). Looks like we are no nearer finding eBooks on HK though.
Anyone seen any in Shenzhen? (other than the 1kg brick noted above)
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Highway-9 (35 days ago)
Why not just use a software reader on a laptop until the product line hardens and the choice increases? You can download the Microsoft reader for free.
Given the price of these things it would be worthwhile making sure you can get service in HKG before plunking your money down.
The overseas versions of Kindle is being shipped from the USA to Europe with no news of local service.
Additionally several features have been crippled making the Kindle utility far less than reports based on the US version.
(I am based in Vietnam)
Posted by axptguy38 (31 days ago)
Amazon.com launched international Kindle service this week. This includes HK.
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by sully (30 days ago)
Alas, it seems i will never be a happy - the kindle international is the 6inch only. why not the DX? Nook looks interesting but have wasted that space at the bottom with a gimmick rather than reader pane... it's getting there. it is a fast moving segment (more in style than substance)
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by axptguy38 (30 days ago)
The smaller the better. I avoid books larger than mass market paperback. It needs to fit in my side pocket. ;)
(I am based in Hong Kong)
Posted by Highway-9 (29 days ago)
axptguy38 said:
Amazon.com launched international Kindle service this week. This includes HK.
International service is a stripped down version of U.S. service and book downloads cost about 40% more.
sully said:
... Nook looks interesting but have wasted that space at the bottom with a gimmick rather than reader pane...
This small window is used for navigation and commands.
(I am based in Vietnam)
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