organic hair dresser

Posted by deena (270 days ago)

would anyone know of an organic hair salon in central HK or a hair dresser that has the option of organic colourings??

(I am based in Hong Kong)

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Posted by altro (269 days ago)

Paul Gerrard.

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Posted by Douglas Lillico (268 days ago)

Deena,ause one of the parts is causing a reaction (hence the term reactive agent) I am simplifying a bit here but you get the point. There are Demi perminant and Semi Perminants both of which are fairly non-intrusive but in most use a developer of some type to bond the stain to the hair shaft or to deposit it in the cortex. That said I keep seeing people look for these types of solutions thinking they are a cure for dryness or damaged hair. This is not the case and if a person truly knows hair and color your hair should NEVER be damaged. Ofter the use of so called organically based colors can, because of the acidity levels or alkalinity, leave the hair dryer than regular colors. A point to remember, Redkin Labratories and Loreal have combined an even before they did both have the largest most modern laboratories in the world. Each has devoted decades to unlocking the science of hair an the synthesis of proteins and related other items. If Redkin, who still tests hair for Interpol and the FBI and research with electron microscope based technology have not found a better solution I would not trust that any one else has. Besides, to be honest hair is not rocket science there are only a few simple way to adhere a color molecule to the hair shaft...even us blonde Americans can do it :)...sorry for the long winded response, this is a huge issue of mine. Try Phyto and Rene Furtherer if you really want organic products. The Gentleman who owns Phyto is amazing and it is a truly organic product...cheers

(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by deena (268 days ago)

Thanks for the response. I understand what you are saying.
My main interest in finding these organic products is the fact that 70% of what we put onto our skin or hair is absorbed into our body and cells and we truly don't know the side effects of these chemicals in hair products. Example if we found out later that hair products or perfumes caused breast cancer or prostate cancer would we still use it???
In our quest to look beautiful we could be killing ourselves.
More and more people are asking themselves these questions and getting great results with alternatives.

(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by Douglas Lillico (268 days ago)

Deena,
its hard for me to put the response on here I would like as it is a bit extensive. I would like to invite you for a coffee some time so I can explain some things about products and the manufacturing process. I started my first business, a suntan lotion business, at 12 in south Florida. From that point forward I have been involved in dozens of situations that involve such issues as you describe. Please understand the difference between fact and rhetoric. Products today must pass a very stringent development process. In fact you recieve more toxins from most tap water than you do from most hair colors. The FDA in the states is so strict on thier guide lines that its hard for anyone to sneak them. There are dozens of such agencies who re put there to protect you...cheers

(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by deena (267 days ago)

Douglas
Not quite sure were you got the husband bit from. You sound a bit tired.
Thanks for the offer of coffee (organic i hope!). I may take you up on that one day.
And yes some water is very toxic, thats why its good idea to reduce to your exposure to as much chemicals as possible.
Cheers

(I am based in Hong Kong)

Posted by mayo (267 days ago)

aveda hair dyes have high naturally derived content if you check their website they list percentages. Here in Singapore some of the Japanese salons offer henna. You have to sit with a heavy mud on your hair at least an hour but thats price you pay.

(I am based in Singapore)

Posted by Douglas Lillico (267 days ago)

Deena,
sorry about that, I posted that on the wrong thread last night...But your right about the tired...its a good tired though...cheers

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Posted by Douglas Lillico (267 days ago)

Mayo,
I have used Aveeda and was involved in their research a few years back, its a good color but no more organic than their products. Though I did like the color for its consistency and they its conditioning properties. But I should point out something very basic, if you place any organic ingredient in a detergent base or with a reactive agent such as Peroxide you eliminate any and all organic properties due to the acidity levels and oxidation process. This is why if you use essential oils in your formulas for conditioning or styling you must be cautious not to mix them with a host of other items or it renders them useless. I really appreciate your input because it shows that we all believe or are not sure what to believe really because most things today simply do not do what they are meant to do. In our industry there is no regulatory body and it is not governed very closely...its really unfair to you the consumer because companies make claims based on myth rather than fact. Okay, so this is a pet issue of mine as you can see....below is a company I have used in the past and they have some great items...organically based as well, that was why I came on, sorry about the debate issues...cheers

https://naturallyaussie.mionegroup.com/home

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Posted by mayo (266 days ago)

I didn't use the word organic to describe their products. However I have very a sensitive scalp I find their dyes suit me. I have never worked for any labs but have been the keeper of a head of hair for a couple of decades. Research labs associated with product manufacturers (aveda included) have a huge financial interest in having hairdressers who push products on clients believe in their product. So I don't think it's always wise to describe lab results vs consumer anecdotal evidence as "fact and rhetoric." But like said I have never worked in a lab I am just stay home mum offering what I thought was an almost if not quite, answer to the post based on what works for me.

(I am based in Singapore)

Posted by Douglas Lillico (266 days ago)

Mayo,
your so right and I appreciate your honesty, I did not mean to sound rash it just frustrating because you and everyone else deserves the truth in advertising and you rarely get it. As for the labs...first you have to realize that out of all the product lines in the world there are only a few manufacturers. Almost everyone has their products made by a central manufacturer, we call it private labeling. It is the ones that have the actual in house research faclities and labs that usually do not need to sway you because, in fact, their products work because they do research. The others have great scents, wonderful packaging, and usually are made by a hairdresser who won an award somewhere but has no knowledge of product. This means they go on scent and touch not actual scientific principle, which Redkin does. I am no chemist just fortunate enough to have been involved in allot of research over the years and you get allot when you study Trico. To be honest I have to know how something works and what is made of because my father was incredibly detail oriented, some would say obsessive. Be glad that people like Jerry Redding and others devoted their entire lives to making sure this industry got a bit of an education and developed products that work on a molecular level. It is because of the need or the use on a molecular level that many times natural products simply do not work, but they make good advertising. Now, take the gentleman that owns Phyto, I have allot of respect for this company because they do what they say they do and they take 'Natural' serious and it works. They are kind of like a natural 'Redkin' if you will. You see, everything that came after the early seventies was based on research Redkin was involved in. They put microscopes in salons way before it was a trend and no one used them, now they do, its trendy. I understand that as a consumer its hard to know fact from fiction but please understand that just because it feels good, aka...most drug store brands, it may not be good for you. Today they go for the quick fix or trend.

In conclusion, I really love Aveeda color because it was made for true colorist who understand the details of color as its a simple base and you have to mix from scratch. They are having trouble with it because of this however because most do not know the basics. You are the type of person companies like this prey on because you are trusting them to do the right thing, you would. Most do not!

I would really like to buy you a cup of coffee and chat further, or come in and have a treatment on me if you like. I try and give people information so you feel in control and are informed the next time you are in a salon or retail setting. I know it seems at times I get on a high horse, I am really sorry about that. In reality I am fairly insecure but feel obligated to ehare the knowledge that others have shared with me. Keeping people informed makes my job easier and you more confident in your decisions. I know what you go through, I was am a consumer too, I just became a hairdresser after, at 19, getting a mullet that I did not ask for because I did not know 'how' to ask for what I wanted, though I was pretty clear on not wanting a Mullet...thanks for the input...cheers

Below is the Phyto site

http://www.phyto-usa.com/

(I am based in Hong Kong)