Posted by
mum2004
19 yrs ago
Hello,
I would like to hear about people who have a live-out helper.
- How to choose her accomodation ?
- How much do you pay her ? and her accomodation ?
- What is your global experience ? What are the benefits and the bad sides ?
- Any advice ?
Thank a lot :-)
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Hi TC and jbebeb, thank you very much for your feedback and the information.
I would be interested in knowing how difficult it is to get this authorisation.
Does anyone have experienced this ?
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mum2004,
have you tried the immigration dept???
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cd
19 yrs ago
We are considering a house move and the one at the top of the list so far has no helpers room, and we cannot give up one of the bedrooms as we have 5 kids. Would that be a good enough reason for being allowed a live out helper?
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The immigration dept will tell you can put a screen up in a corner of your living room and she can have that space - or one of your children can share with her.
As they did for me when we had no maids room in a 4 bedroom house with 4 kids. - I thanked them kindly and she moved out down the road without them knowing.
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Just to add to my post above, at least two of the DH who attend our church sleep on top of the kitchen cupboards.. that is all the space that is available to them.
Another lady I know has a sofa bed in one part of the kitchen, which is made up for the maid to sleep in = when everyone is finished in the kitchen the maid can go to bed! Nice! So there is no excuse for not having room - you can always find space if you really want to !
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dimac4, that's crazy but not surprising. Just curious, are these helpers working for expat families?
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cd
19 yrs ago
She couldn't sleep in the lounge as part of that would be curtained off for my disabled son to sleep in,so that we wouldn't have to carry him upstairs and I wouldn't let any of my kids share with a helper.
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No they do not work for expat families.
cd - you may have a case for exceptional circumstances - you can just try - I know when i applied for live out they wanted the names of all the other people living in the house with my helper- essentially dobbing them all in - I didn't comply.
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I know what dimac4 wrote is absolutely true. Our previous neighbours' helper never had a bedroom to herself for 4 years... she just sleeps in the living room couch. However, correct me if I am wrong, on the contract, doesn't it say that by law as an employer, we are to provide to our helpers a ? sq. feet size room, with a bed, and basic necessities like water, electricity, and other things.... ? So, how can the immigration TELL employers to set up a screen if your household doesn't have space for a helper to live in ? I am just wondering how the immigration can send out a letter saying that.
I personally know a few families who did write to the immigration in request for their helpers to live out. They were allowed. The reasons were:
1) Apartment is being renovated for 6 months, request for Helper to live out during this time.
2) The family has an elderly, and a baby to care of by the helper, but one of the family members (some cousin...etc.) already sleeps in the living room sofa.... and is a grown man. Therefore, for the privacy of the helper and the cousin, request for Helper to live out.
both of these situations were granted live out permission.
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Can the immigration control both samples?
Can they visit us?
Thanks
Helene
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Honestly, I just wouldn't tell them. If they were to turn up, you pop a mattress on the smallest child's bedroom floor and say that's where she sleeps. If someone turns up at the place she stays, you tell her that she is to say that she is just staying with friends on her day off. Easy. Honestly, if Immigration is happy to turn a blind eye to the 100,000 or so Indonesian helpers being underpaid in HK, I can't imagine that they really care where your helper is staying.
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i know a helper who is stay out..she works for a chinese family in our building. to be on the safe side, she has things in her bosses home and they have a fold up bed. she stays with them a couple of nights a week. but usually she goes to her dormitory after she clears up the dinner things..
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Hi all, thanks a lot for your feedback, it's very interesting. I'll see what I can do
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Mammu
19 yrs ago
Hi, better to get her a boarding house than to sleeping in the kitchen or couch.Everybody need rest after wholeday work and privacy as well,its case to case situation. you don't need to be honest all the time as long you both comportable.
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