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mmackay
18 yrs ago
my wife and I are thinking about getting a DH but the whole process is totally new to us. Is it possible to have a full time maid leagally in HK that doesn't live with you? If so, does anyone have any agents they'd recommend? thank you
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Ed
18 yrs ago
No need to involve an agency hire direct here and have the maid help with registering the contract - or if you need help call our agency - Evelyn 2815 2520 - we charge the maids nothing if we place them and we charge you only 2k
http://hongkong.asiaxpat.com/domestichelp/
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TC
18 yrs ago
...but be aware that the FDHs available through AsiaXpat are more than likely required by law to work for you on a full-time live-in basis.
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Yes agree with green, you can let your DH stay-out unless the Director of Immigration permitted you to do so. Of course with a valid reason. By the way, if you're interested to hire directly from Philippines i can send you my resume. Thanks!!!
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Yes agree with green, you can let your DH stay-out unless the Director of Immigration permitted you to do so. Of course with a valid reason. By the way, if you're interested to hire directly from Philippines i can send you my resume. Thanks!!!
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tgm
18 yrs ago
Cara's right - some people have permission for live out DH's because they are existing long standing contracts or 'roll overs' from the time when live out was permitted.
Others of course have live outs illegally on the basis that the chances of getting caught are slim.
But pls be aware that for any new DH contract a live out arrangement is illegal - it is clearly spelt out in the DH guidebook or FAQ on Immig. website. There are previous threads on this site that spell out the fines, etc that can be applied by Immig. Dept.
And I can't agree with green (sorry) - small flat etc. is not relevant, I don't think Immig Dept accept any reason for a live out arrangement. So asking them would only tip your hand if you choose to go ahead with a live out anyway...
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hi mmackay,
I have sent you a private message. thanks!
to anybody looking for a helper, i am available direct from Philippines please check my ad in classifieds section of this site http://hongkong.asiaxpat.com/careers/details.asp?id=52A82CA6-043E-4CDF-A6C4-E3D7528EE12E
Thanks!
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Hi Witty Han,
Out of curiosity, I had a look at your resume. Are you looking for a job as a helper because you think you'd be able to make a lot more here because clearly, you seem to be over qualified to be a helper. So many of the girls who advertise for helper jobs on this website have college and university degrees, it's such a pity that they have to end up as a domestic helper working for people with lesser qualifications whom in many cases, would look down on them. Sorry, i've digressed...
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Hi pocoyo, if only there's much job opportunities in my home country and in HK aside from being a DOMESTIC HELPER...Yes it is, but that's the reality=(
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hi to all here !! anyone knows of an italian employer in hk? contract will finish this year...pls let me know...many thanks
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j_hk
18 yrs ago
Anyone know the reason why it is no more allowed to have a live-out helper? Was that part of the scheme to drive expats out of HK? As we know, the government already realised that they do need expats (change the law for dependants: always allowed to work, then last year not allowed, and then quickly allowed again...)
I'm just curious, as this rule does not make sense to me...
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My friend has a live out DH out,yes it is illegal but would you prefer to let your DH stay in a small room without even have a window? I dont think ID will check on this as I never heard someone was caught,this really not a big deal.
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j> The live-in rule... local DHs, FDHs, competition, retraining, levy, preserving part-time market of LDHs, attract potential employers to hire LDHs.
From Legco Panel:
“The Contract was last reviewed and revised in April 2003 to incorporate a mandatory live-in requirement so as to better reflect the policy intention to admit live-in FDHs to make up for the shortage of local workers who are willing to provide such services.”
Both the FDH and the employer sign a contract that he/she will reside at the employer’s residence. This is a condition of stay.
An FDH who breaches his/her conditions of stay and his/her aider and abettor are liable to criminal prosecution. Any person who contravenes a condition of stay in force in respect of him/her shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine of level 5 (HK$ 50,000) and to imprisonment for 2 years.
Any person (e.g. employer) who aids and abets the breach of a condition of stay shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to the same punishment.
Just so people know... and ImmD might not check but will follow up on tip offs which it receives (and it does receive them).
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TC
18 yrs ago
...and anyone who willingly breaks the law (no matter where in the world - and that includes me as I jaywalk my way across HK) should do so in the expectation to face the penalty if caught.
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ID may recieve many tip offs regarding live out,but they doesnt care they are more aggresive about DH overstay,and DH working in the offices and shops.But for live out,no one really care.
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TC
18 yrs ago
But I wouldn't bet my house on that always being the case.
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So are you all saying it's illeagal even if you provide additional housing?
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Yes, it is illegal, but like miming said, it is not a priority of ID to look for it. I can say I know at least 10 people with live outs.
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The way I go around it, is by having a sofa bed in my children's room with a few of my helper's clothes in a drawer (for when she occasionally stays in) and by officially providing "extra accommodation" for week-ends ( on her pay slip). Is this illegal?
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TC
18 yrs ago
The straight answer is YES. Unless you have express permission from the ID for your helper not to live-in then whatever other arrangements you make are illegal. But of course I'm not talking about the chances of getting caught breaking the law.
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Patsidel, I do similar. My helper stays with me about 5 to 8 times a month, so she has a pull out bed and cupboards for clothes. Otherwise, yes, she does live out. It is illegal.
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actually, what is the penalty? I have searched and searched over the ID site, the only penalty I found is that my record will be blacked for hiring the next helper for breaching any condition. But I guess it is more sensible that ID will place a charge and fine on live-out arrangement which I couldnt find any.
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j_hk
18 yrs ago
this rule is so ridiculous... only in Hong Kong!
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TC
18 yrs ago
Maybe it is ridiculous, but there again every country has its own share of seemingly-stupid laws. Come here and you have a choice - obey the law or break it and face the possible consequences. No point bleating about it.
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ldavy
18 yrs ago
Not only ridiculous but extremely unfair to the helpers. I've seen loads of flats which have a "helper's room" no bigger than a cupboard. A lot of them don't have air-cons, and some don't have windows. Most have a "wet" bathroom which means the poor girl can't even keep toilet paper or a towel in there, unless she's very careful when she's showering. Some employers are thoughtful enough to provide their helper with a proper bedroom, but most aren't - and a lot of people can't, because maybe they have 2 or 3 children and can't afford a place with enough bedrooms.
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