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Yin_Chow
16 yrs ago
I am looking at hiring a f/t DH but don't have a maid's room. I have a 3 bedroom apartment, but as I have 3 children, we take up all the rooms. When we first signed up the lease, we had no intentions of getting a DH, hence we didn't rent an apartment with a maid's room. Also at the time I wasn't thinking of returning back to the workforce, but now I want to work f/t and therefore will need a DH to help with the school run and domestic chores. One agent has suggested that (1) I sacrifice one of the kid's room for the DH and have my 3 children sleep together in the same room. As the rooms are small, I am not really fond of this idea. Another suggestion was that (2) I have one of my kids share the room with the DH - definitely out of the question. What should I do in regards to living arrangements? I know that by law I must provide live in accommodation for DHs, unless they are PRs. Also, would it be inappropriate if had I chosen scenario 1, made the room a DH/storage room? Any advice would be great.
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Well, you'll have to give her a room to sleep in. So I guess you're at scenario 1. There really is no other (legal and decent) option. Unless you can build a new wall somewhere.
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annej
16 yrs ago
I think there is some rule which allows you to have a live-out DH (you'd have to pay her accommodation costs) when you don't have enough room at home. I would have thought that the fact you only have 3 bedrooms and three kids, with no maid's room - you might qualify for this concession. Best to check it out with Immigration Dept.
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a LOT of people are in your shoes, worse in fact. Many people live in 2 bedroom apartment.... you have three!
Storage room into DH's room - MOST often like this.
The other way is bunk bed for one child, the helper sleeps below.
Or fold away bed in the room, day time, folds away, night time folds out.
Illegal option is live out.
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Thank you all for your replies. annej, I will definitely give imm a call and see what they say in regards to the accom...otherwise, I guess option 1 is my best option.
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annej and Yin_Chow, there is no LEGAL live out. Not having enough "room" in at home is no excuse to ask the Helper to live out. All live out helpers are illegal.
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momoftwo, thanks for the reminder. had a talk with my better half, we have decided to go with option 1 (have the kids share 1 room) and have the DH have her own room (which will also become part storage - namely the kids' wardrobes). Now just have to decide on the DH and get the paperwork rolling.
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islandhopper, thanks for the review. However, my point is directed to the OP and annej's reply. That THIS particular scenario is NOT going to get you a "legal" approval to have her helper live out.
2003- is passe. So no point in talking about that. Obviously, in 2008, the OP isn't going to get that approval.
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Once again thank you all for your opinions. As stated, we are going with the DH having her own room. I have asked my children in regards to the sleeping arrangements and they could not be happier being all in the same room.
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annej
16 yrs ago
Yin Chow, I am pleased you have reached a solution which works for you and your family.
Mumoftwo - please checks your facts before making sweeping statements 'All live-out helpers are illegal'. Obviously there are some cases (pre 2003 and special dispensation ) where this IS allowed. This forum is supposed to be for friendly advice - none of us are experts!!
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annej, I didn't make any "sweeping statements". Call the immigration yourself, and ask what you said:
"think there is some rule which allows you to have a live-out DH (you'd have to pay her accommodation costs) when you don't have enough room at home. "
And see what they tell you.
LIKE I SAID, prior to 2003...right? So since we are in 2008, I am accurate in informing you that it is ILLEGAL to have live out helpers. Stated very clearly in the immigration's guidelines to hiring DH. I think you should tell yourself the same thing before advising other so false information.
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annej
16 yrs ago
Mumoftwo - goodness me ! I am afraid I have far too many things going on in my life to get into an argument with you. As previously stated, this is a forum for friendly advice - not expert information. If you check my original reply, I actually advised the OP to check with Immigration - hardly false advice ! Enough said.
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annej, I am not arguing with you, no intention to.
Islandhopper, how is NOT clear? I don't understand. It's ILLEGAL to have live out helpers if you didn't obtain permission prior to 2003.
So, if you read OP's question, it's clear that she hasn't hired a helper. So this helper is "new". Last time I checked my calendar it is 2008, not 2003. (Please don't mix up reading 3 and 8) Maybe that's the confusion.
So , that means immigration isn't going to approve ANY live out helpers anymore, because like I said, the calendar says 2008 now. Clear enough?
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BTW, why is islandhopper talking about a scenario that is clearly NOT APPLICABLE to Yin's question?
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well maybe she cannot be full time with you. let her sleep in another house.
haha Momoftwo always has something to say to whoever disagrees (even slightly) from what she says, its amazing. Entertaining, also :)
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no I don't have any problem with people disagreeing with me, that's the point of the forums. However, it just bugs me to death whenever people start "quoting" every word another says, and picks apart their posts to dissect, and plays "word" games with the post, and saying how the poster is wrong because of the "word" one used! (Although the "meaning" of what is being said is obvious and clear.
The whole point of THIS post is lost already. Islandhopper keeps talking about the 2003 past.....when it's totally non applicable to the question.
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WHY would it be hard to admit !?
I am fully aware that there are a bunch of helpers who "live out" under the permission of the immigration that was approved prior to 2003. I knew that.
Ok, I surrender.
I will now edit what I wrote.
"ALL live out helpers are illegal UNLESS you got approval prior 2003."
I have no interest in having essay lessons here. So there. End of input.
It doesn't concern me that there are people in this forum telling others "go ahead, TRY to get permission to get a live out helper." You're just wasting their time. Not mine.
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As I said, entertaining. And amazing hahaha.
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meiji
16 yrs ago
well, it's quite obvious the question is about Foreign Domestic Helper, and quite obvious the whole discussion here was about Foreign DH.
Foreign Domestic Helpers are not allowed (legally) to live out, must be the address on the contract. And yes, I am not talking about those who received approval from immigration prior 2003.
I think the original poster gets the point by now.
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