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19 yrs ago
Has anybody ever heard about this or has done it themselves? If so, I would like to know what the process is? Is it writing a letter to them telling them the reasons?
In a nutshell, our previous DH who we fired filed a claim at the Labour Dept. against me based on pure lies and then was not successful with the case although it dragged out for months. Since it was not successful, she now filed another claim against my husband again twisting the truth as the basis of her claim. We believe she is purposely doing all of this to keep on extending her visa so she can work part-time here. Both cases, she was trying to get more money out of us. They were with the Minor Claims Board.
Can anyone tell me about blacklisting at Immigration or what else we could do?
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19 yrs ago
Can't the labour tribunal step in, do you have someone handling the case that you can talk to. In my experience they are really helpful. WHat a mess, hope you can get things sorted and this person out of your life!
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24
19 yrs ago
TC - the court case doesn't have to do with whether she is guilty or not. it's a small claims court and this deals with money. she has filed claims to try and win some money from us which she thinks we have withheld (which isn't the case). but she made up lies to say that we owe her the money. but her ulterior motive is to file these cases so that her visa can keep on being extended even though she isn't allowed to be employed while there is a court case pending. i think it's a tactic of some helpers to file cases just so they can keep having their visas extended and work part-time.
i have heard that blacklisted DHs are ones that are not allowed to work in HK ever again, because they've been blacklisted at Immigration for all the trouble they caused. I think it's also to prevent other families here in HK from hiring these 'bad' DHs.
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19 yrs ago
even if there was such a thing as blacklisting... she would only go home change her name and get a new passport.... if you want to get even with her... find out where she is working and then call immigration and inform them....
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I'd write a letter to Immigration. They probably won't deny her a new Visa on the basis of this letter, but if her next employer also complains, then maybe she won't get the next visa. I did this and my previous alcoholic helper still got a new visa.
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I am in fear of such a litigation as well. After one year, our helper's brother needed an emergency surgery (supposedly) and I lent her $15,000 although she had asked me for $30,000. I told her when I hired her that I would never lend her money but after a year and feeling that she was doing an adequate job, I wanted to help. One month after lending her the money she began slacking in a major way, she was in her p.j.s until 11:00 in the morning. Talking on the phone all day, and I could go on and on. I reminded her of her routine and her role in our house and she began screaming at me and said she was putting in her one month notice. Since then, I have learned that at the time I lent her the money, she owed $30,000 to a loan agency here in HK. This has been incredibly hurtful to me as I pay her well, give her bonuses, extra time off (two vacations this year), let her have her friends over, let her go out in the evening once she is finished working. Basically, treating her how I would want to be treated if I were a helper. Unfortunately, with these freedoms, I have had to continuously remind her of her job and deal with grumpiness pretty much all of the time. She is leaving at the end of the month and I may not get my money back. Such a shame. She told me she is reporting me to immigration for buying a car and getting a dog - since this wasn't on her contract! I said, "Go ahead".
I hope that your situation is alleviated soon and I can understand your frustrations. It is too bad that these people are creating such a bad name for the rest of their country.
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I can understand why you would be wary. The sad thing is that now when I am interviewing for new helpers, I feel overly cautious and suspicious!
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19 yrs ago
Mrs. M & Namaste - after our bad experience, I am sad to say it, but I totally micro-manage our new DH and am also overly cautious and wary of lies. I don't blame either of you at all. It's unfortunate for the new one but I learned alot from past experience and am ensuring the same mistakes are not repeated again. We treated our previous one nicely and never had her sign anything other than the contract--ie. receipt of monthly payment, etc.
Then after working for us for a couple years, she started to get greedy and her attitude started to change dramatically, becoming rude, etc. She felt that she should take the taxi and not the bus (even though I myself take the bus everywhere) and that her salary was not adequate. We paid her basic salary plus $250 extra each month for personal toiletries.
One day while we were away on our summer holiday, she went and filed claims against us, saying that we withheld breakfast from her for two years--which was completely untrue and fabricated--and that she wanted money to compensate for it. I needed to battle it out in Small Claims Court and it was a waste of time for everyone and also taxpayers money. It wasn't alot of money but it was very much about the principle of the matter. She didn't succeed with her case and walked away with nothing. Then after that, she filed a claim against my husband for withholding bonus money from her. We had verbally agreed to set aside $300 each month as a bonus which she would get upon successful completion of her contract. But since we fired her before she completed, she didn't get any of the money. She claimed that we were supposed to give her the $300 extra each month. Since it was only a verbal agreement, there was no hard evidence on either side so again, it dragged out to court, wasted time and taxpayers money. She didn't succeed in this case either and was awarded nothing. I have no idea what she's up to next. For these reasons, I asked about the blacklisting. And for these reasons, I make our new helper sign for EVERYTHING. I have a detailed list of the rules and tasks written down which she agrees to and signs. Every month after she gets her salary she signs that she has received it and there is no money outstanding and also that she has been adequately fed. It sounds really petty but unfortunately, I'm doing this so that I can avoid a repeat of the previous scenario.
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We are now looking to hire an Indonesian helper as they have a lot to lose for being terminated early and inevitably they are more likely to avoid those games. I was very strict with this helper and that is why she was grumpy most of the time. Our previous helper was Indonesian and had such a great work ethic and our expectation for this helper was the same. I also give her a schedule, rules, and have her sign for everything. She has consistently tried to get us to adapt to her ways of doing things. When I ask her to change something, she tells me she is no longer following my rules (like getting dressed in the morning). Even after one year of telling her we only use olive oil, she still buys corn oil, she prepares our next days breakfast and lunch the night before although we ask her to do it the day of, etc.... The other day while I wasn't home, she asked my daughter to feed the dog and when my daughter (6) said no, she responded by saying it wasn't her dog and she thought it would just have to die then. When approached, she said she was just kidding. Her usual response and then as we walk away, she talks under her breath in Tagalog. The following days have been filled with grumpiness which the whole family has to pay for. At this point, she is returning to the Philippines at the end of the month.
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Dear All,
Same here. My helper will finish her contract in a week's time and when we offered to renew her contract, she declined as she agreed to work for her previous employer from Taiwan (who made her an offer about a year ago).
My helper is very good, cheerful and attend to details. Since she will not renew the contract, I hired a replacement. When the new helper arrived, I instructed her that she should learn from my current helper but she just sat back and let my helper do all the works because "she don't know". What's more, she walked out in 3 days time! She did give immediate notice to me at my old helper's present, but once she left my residence, she called up the embassy and said that i forced her to break the contract and my old helper abused her etc, which was nothing but lies. I can smell the Labour Tribunal, and I am prepared to fight for it!
It is not about the money, it is the principle of equity that ought not to be defeated by malicious allegations and lies.
God bless all the competent helpers and God bless us all!!
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Dear All
I feel so normal now. I moved into my husband's family home and I ended up firing the Filipino DH who was there. My hubby's family were horrified and blamed me. However, the DH was horrible - she went out when she wasn't supposed to, stole from the grocery money, even took some of my wedding jewellry. Not to mention hygene. She wouldn't wipe down cupboards and other areas in the kitchen and I would find bits of meat and blood from meat from when she was cooking. After she left, she called about 6 months later and tried to blackmail us for money saying that she hurt her back looking after my father in law and then saying husband tried to sexually harrass her. Which is a bit of a joke.
The second one we had had been in HK for 10 years. She was so lazy that she couldn't manage the cooking and cleaning for two people. If I asked her to go to the market, she couldn't do anything else for the whole day.
My current DH is quite OK by Filipino DH standards and can cook well and is a nice person, but we still have to remind her of things every so often. Overall though, I think we're lucky to have her.
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