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fragrance
21 yrs ago
there is a hot sun sauna in tst on prat avenue . what i want to know is that is it a decent sauna or it has other services as well ??
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Fragrance - what is with these posts??? You've also been asking about the New Makati Bar. Have you been reading your husbands VISA bills?
I suggest you have a 'chat' with him when he gets home.
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hi vulvic .. that i have already had with him . just trying to get some info here . do you know anything about sun hot sauna ?
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kimmy
21 yrs ago
hmm.. prat avenue is full of local bars and generally a bit dodgy.... i'm pretty sure the sauna would offer "other services"...
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there are sex tourism forums on the internet which you can post such questions. I am sure you can get a better, insider response to your queries instead of asking the women?
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do you know of any sex tourism forums ? well , there are a lot of men also checking posts here and thats why i thought of posting it here .
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Frragrance - if you are concerned that your husband has frequented massage parlours and girlie bars in Wanchai then the only person that can answer your questions is him.
But to answer the question you are trying to ask - yes this massage parlour does provide 'happy endings'.
As for the New Makati - going there for a drink with a buyer does not make you a philanderer. Recieving text messages from a bar girl might.
Open your eyes woman.
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yes vulvic ... only he can answer my questions but if he does not then what can i do ? he states he has done nothing wrong and is innocent . maybe he is but i do have to open my eyes (like you say) that is why trying to have more knowledge .
so now my question to you is ,,, how do you know they do have happy endings .. r u assuming it or you know for a fact .
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Fragrance, sorry I have not replied for a few days, have been busy. For happy endings - I know that for a fact. Whether the client choose to have one is up to him.
Good luck.
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Remmy
21 yrs ago
How much did he spend at the sauna? If it was more than HK $400, you can be pretty sure that it was for a sexual service. As for New Makati Disco, it is packed full of prostitutes. I would be very suspicious. If you have any doubts, take a look inside and you will very quickly get a feel for what kind of place it is and for what the guys who patrinise such a place are after.
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yes - his bill comes around 768 or so but he says its so much coz they get a body massage and then also some foot massage , etc but obviously i am not stupid but i wish i could find out what kind of service is for 768 ... is it all the way like a full service or smthg else .
as for new makati disco ... i know its packed with all the phillipine gals who want to make money but he actually was making calls to this girl from there .. acc to him its not what i think .
hey bos , i know that ALL the guys do indulge in all this some time or the other and the way things are avlble here - it can be tempting . but then again also if one gets into this couple of times - i am sure it becomes a habit and i dont want that . and you are right - he is just having fun and is not harrassing me for making out as much but you are wrong where you say this should be a good thing because i do not find that good .. i think i should also start having fun . wish there were places for women to go get a massage with other services as well . what fun then - rite ?
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Remmy
21 yrs ago
Fragrance - I can tell you that $768 is likely a full service - massage followed by sex. Cost for massage and bj is around 600, cost for massage and hj is around 500. Cost for massage and foot massgae is around 350. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's how it is.
Not all guys in HK go to these types of places. I for example would never want to go to that Makati place (in fact you would need to pay me to sleep with any of the women in there!)
But I agree with you. A massage place for the ladies with extras would be nice! A possible business venture?
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hi remmy ,
i am sure its a full service also becoz on top of it this is a special midnight price (discounted) . i did call them and ask them what service is avlble for this rate and they said massage with special oils .
yes - a massage place for women would be a really a good idea although i really thought it should have been already existing . there would be loadssss of women who would make a visit .
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Remmy
21 yrs ago
Bumpy Dog - do you mean that you hope Fragrance makes her husband wear condoms when at sauna places and Makati, or do you mean that you hope she makes him wear them when having sex with her? (If the latter, then I think this is pretty unrealistic thing to ask a husband to do).
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Remmy
21 yrs ago
Bali - your grammar is not great, but let me try to anwser what I think you are asking me.
I think he should be wearing condoms if he has sex with prostitutes, both to protect himself and to protect his wife.
I think it would be unrealistic for his wife to insist that wear a condom with her just because she suspects he has been with a prostitute. And most probably she also would probably prefer to have sex with her husband without a condom. They are married after all.
Does that answer your question? (Sorry I did not understand what you meant about tribes and caves etc, and am not sure how a person's tribe is relevant to this discussion)
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no i did not vanish . of course i do not think that all men are into sexual services . but after reading so much on the internet , it sure is obvious that most of them are at some point in their life .
it is not like i am not bothered that he is going such places . but what do i do now ? he insists that his buyers like to go such places and he is bound to take them coz thats how business works and i have noticed that he goes such places only when his buyers are in town . i told him that i know people get sexual services here and specially for the price your reciepts show and he says that he is not into the sexual services for sure .. its all about massage only . now how do i prove that he is wrong and i am right . i have no proof in hand . i am in a situation where i cannot do anything.
the girl that i found calls/msgs being recvd from was from makati and he says that she keeps calling him and sending msgs but he has no interest .. now how do i prove that he is lying here as well .
i have to just wait and see if any proof falls on my lap . its just so crazy .
any ideas with you guys???
about the condom part ... no we do not use condoms and now again if i ask my husband to start using them , he will probably think i have gone crazy and he starts saying that i am mad and no girls doubt on their husbands like that .. blah blah .
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cyan
21 yrs ago
I believe you should trust him.
How's your sex life? Did you notice any difference?
Don't ask him about him going to such places. Ask him about how satisfied he is with your sexual life.
If it's all good between you two I believe it's very possible he's not doing anything wrong.
Does he replies to the girl? What does he say?
Only you can tell, how does he react when you talk to him about it. Forget about "the all guys do it "concentrate on him and your relationship.
If he was into it he would go there even if no buyers to take there.
You look like you want to prove he's doing it, but from what you have I believe you should look to prove he's not doing it.
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Remmy
21 yrs ago
Bali - see Frangrance's response regarding condom usage. I told you so...
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hi cyan ,
yes its true that i am looking to prove he is doing it and why i feel he is doing it is becoz of "all guys do it" .
i have done what you are suggesting already .. i have questiond him on our sex life .. how satisfied he is and what is that he probably finds missing or wants to do more but he seems to be fine although sex life b4 was down ,, we would manage to have sex only once a week but now i have become persistent and i initiate sex and we do have it now 2 to 3 times a week . i have been keeping eye on all his doings since a month and he is not had any late nights as such - even if he does - it is once a month or so .. i know that it could be true that he is not wrong - there is no sex involved maybe .. but the doubt is killing me.. i wanna know for sure .. which i dont know if i will ever find out.
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cyan
21 yrs ago
Spice your sex life, search the web (not porno sites) just surprise him in bed :)
I still think he's not really doing it... but that's based on your writing, on what you say.
Many guys do it, but there are also a LOT of guys who are honest.
So forget about all this treads and look into your relationship and your husband. I know it's not easy to let de doubt go, since he goes to those places... but trust him, and show him how much you trust him and how happy you are that you guys have such a strong relationship that you can live with that.
Besides that, surprise him in bed. There's always some fantasy he still have, or your own fantasie. there's always something new to try. Be open. Take this as a wake up call on your relationship. As you said, you are already doing it more often. That's good for both of you.
Dont insist on the subject too often, he might become hurt if he feels you're not trusting him. For him his word should be enough and its a closed issue.
But you can share your concern, nervous, not feeling confortable and tell him just that on the day he's taking clients there.
So far, he's not hiding receipts or anything right? You know when he will be there right? He tells you he's taking the clients and when.
Don't worry too much.
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bali ,
you think everything is easy but it does not work like that . relationships are very sensitve ... you cannot just have either one way in it and make life so easy .
i do have trust in my husband but i cannot help negative thoughts coming in my mind and i have reasons ... maybe i need to put some details here i guess . i find a sms from a girl on his mobile saying that i miss you and meet me before you travel . what would i think ? he never mentions sauna .. i find the reciept and then he agrees saying he is taking his buyer . he has been going wanchai with his buyers (when they are in town) till late . of course i will have doubts but when i confront him - he has all answers ready and he agrees that his buyers hook up with girls and thats how one of the girls got his no and keeps calling him . he could be speaking the truth which is what i am assuming but of course he could be making excuses as well . how do i know now ? maybe i will never know ? so this bothers me and i am human so obviously such feelings will erupt . i cannot just take an extreme step and say oh - my husband goes sauna and wanchai so surely he is into prostitutes nd i cant hang onto him so lets leave .. thats insane bali .
whoever told you that i am justifying his act of sleeping with prostitutes (if he is) . there surely can be no justification for that - not ANY kind at all . if you read my posts well , you will find that i said more neative thoughts come in my mind because of the saying "all guys do it" - that makes me believe that since it is probably a nomal practice for guys - my husband has got into it as well .. that does not mean i am okay with it .
and now i am desperate to know if it is really happening or no - not that i am getting tortured or anything - i just want to knwo - thats it .
i believe in working things out in a relationship rather than just walking out of it because the partner has taken a wrong step . i belive in rectifying it .
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hi cyan ,
thanks for your concern - you are right , i should not worry too much anymore . i should concentrate on my relationship and if he does all this again then obviously i will find out somehow .. i guess i will come to know .
the reason why i have been so adamant in knowing wether it happened or no is because when he is caught with proof then he will know what it feels to be caught and then will take serious steps in getting out of it if his marriage is important to him but if he is not caught with proof then obviously he will be cool and will get into these acts again when ever a chance .
and in case , he was not into this then at least i am totally relieved and stress free . so in both ways - it will work for better . but i guess you really are right ,
no use thinking wether he was in it or no .. just wait and see and meanwhile work things better in my marriage . thanks cyan .
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cyan
21 yrs ago
It's reasonable that you ask those questions.
But as you said. How can you ever know if you will ever know at all?
I keep what I told you before but I understand your need to be sure. Not easy.
If you can't go for a private investigator... it will be very hard. have a very good friend he doesn't know follow him?
What about his replies to that girl? What does he say? How often are these calls or sms? How often you see her number on the received/dialled numbers?
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i found few recvd msgs - no sent messages - he must have been careful to delete the send msgs . before , the calls were a lot as i used to secretly keep a watch on his mob but since i confronted him there has been nothing at all - he could be on gaurd but he says he has stopped calling her totally coz it hurts me and according to him any calls made to her b4 were only becoz he recvd her call or sms and would just call or sms her back to tell her that he is busy . but i wonder ? why does he need to call/sms her back - should have just ignored i feel . anyways , hiring a private investigator is very tempting but i feel a bit guilty doing the same too . cannot take a chance to have any friend follow him - i would rather do it myself . i think i will wait and see how it goes .
actually , i want to find out from sun hot sauna if 769 bucks actually means full service - at least that would be some start .
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jipthedog - if you are not here to help then pls stay away from my threads . you can surely not agree to my feelings or have different ideas / perception but you dont need to call me stupid that also without giving any explainations or reasons from you . at least bali is questioning me and not just calling me names . do not kill time here and entertain yourself .
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hey - if you find my comments so stupid then pls pls do not keep checking what i am posting here . ignore it and if you can't then why don't you call this sauna for me and ask them how much they charge for the full service ? let me know and put a stop to all my stupid comments then . thanks .
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you think i am stupid - do you ? i did call that number long back but she tells me that they do not do full service - they charge 439 for body massage . i said how much with full service and she says no sorry - we do not do full service . how the hell did she tell you ? you knwo jips - do not under estimate other people . how much did she tell you ? what did you ask her ?
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obviously bumpy dog - i am not duh . but this jipthedog needs to be explained . why do you think i posted asking peopel here about this sauna - i want to knwo from the peopel who have had first hand experience from here . according to my husband , he pays the price of 769 because his buyers get the body massage and also drink a bit and foot massage as well . he says this place is not like the mongkok saunas so its expensive and he is not aware if full sevice goes on there . now am i being a fool here and really stupid if i intend to believe him ? do they accept cash in such saunas or strictly credit card only ? jips - give details on ur phone call .
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Ed
21 yrs ago
I am cleaning up the forums now (deleted and banned a few on this one) - if I miss anything then let me know by emailing me the thread (see Contact Us) at the bottom of the page.
For those of you not in HK it appears that a site in HK that was quite infamous for allowing anytthing on its forums has ceaced to operate so some of their members are attempting use this site in a similar manner - we will of course not allow this.
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hi tuttifrutti ,
are you just assuming that this is what it would be in this particular sauna or do you know for a fact that it is this service for sure in this place . he usually pays 1538 $ for two people (it is a bit discounted as they leave the place after 12 and thats when the discount time begins) .
thanks .
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he says its a price he pays for body massage as well as foot massage together . when i called the place they said 439 is std body massage and 769 is the body massae with oils used so maybe you are right , it could be a hand job or similiar .
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hmmm .... i am finding it so difficult to find any reaction in me . its so wierd but the only emotion that i am going thru is anger (at least for now) . anger becoz the way he denies everything and still insists on taking his buyers there whenever he has to . this has become too much now . he has been at his best behaviour these days .. lets see how long or short that lasts .
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you are right - i have to take a stand coz o/w this will keep going on . but he is going to challenge me and ask me how do you know and you are saying rubbish , etc . when i told him last that the amount you pay is a lot then he said its true massage is not so expensive but we get foot massage and then we order drinks or food at times . and then he pretends to be very angry for not trusting him and makes me believe that i am doing wrong by going on asking the same thing .
and its like now when he goes out without me specially with his buyers or suppliers , i tend to have no trust on his doings . i feel maybe he is actually somewhere else or into wrong acts .
so now when i tell him that i know he is into sexual massage - i have to be sure that i know ... he will ask me how i know / who told me / etc and will challenge me and still deny it and at that instant its so frustrating for me . what do you think i should do ? the conversation will go like .
husband - whats wrong with you ? what makes you think its sexual act ., you have wrong info .
me - i just know it and stop denying it and accept it as o/w you are getting urself in a bigger mess .
husband - how you know / who told you /
me - a friend tol dme online who has been there
him - rubbish - ur friend is lying . you are going to believ ur friend buut not me ,
me - but its true many people have told me that saunas can not be more than 600 max for massage .
him - but i get drinks included so obviously its more and these are not mongkok saunas . thsi is a decent sauna .
me - i do not believe you
him - i cannot help you then if you do not believe me . i am fed up of your insecurities and accusations .
and it will just end like that . i dont knwo how to get him to agree to his doings .
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Remmy
21 yrs ago
Fragrace - you sound like a pretty nice and understanding wife to have. Remember guys don't like being controlled and being told where they can and can't go etc, but I think that even though he might not admit what he has done, your talk with him might make him stop doing it nevertheless. I think he knows he's been "busted" and if apart from this massage and New Makati stuff he is a good guy and a good husband, then I hope that what he has done will not spoil what should otherwise be a fun experience for you both (working and living in HK etc).
I know some of the people giving their advice to you mean well, but some of the advice above seems a little, dare I say it, typical feminist stuff, which if you applied it in practive would simply lead to a broken marriage. Maybe the way to go is for you to also go out and have a little fun with the girls. By this, I don't necessarily mean going out and sleeping around etc, but what you could do is head out for drinks etc at night and then meet up with him or drop by and join him for a drink later on at night. But I would tell him that you know that New Makati is a pretty sleazy and filthy place, and I perhaps would politely question whether gong there is really the best way to impress customers. If I was taken to that kind of place as a customer (or a similar place in some other Asian country) I would probably stay with my host and have a few drinks out of politeness, but going there would certainly not impress me. If anything, being taken to such a place would actually make me form not a particularly good impression of my host (although I of course would not tell this to him directly).
There are so many cool and memorable places you could take customers visiting HK to. The Peak for a walk, dinner, drinks and the awesome view, a junk to one of the islands, lots of cool and classy bars and restaurants, or though SoHo, a visit to the races, or drinks at a private club (like the Football Club, Royal Yacht Club, Cricket Club, or the HK club etc) are all good things to do with customers. You might want to suggest some of these places to him.
PS - (and this might result in a few nasty reply emails) what a lot of HK girls do in similar situations is simply turn a blind eye to this kind of thing. They kind of have a "if I don't see it, it's not a problem" attitude. They basically don't mind too much provided their man forms no emotional connection with any other girl, and provided he brings no obvious evidence of her existence into the home. I'm not suggesting you take the same view, but just wanted to let you know that there is a different kind of thinking that some girls in Asia apply to this kind scenario. Sometimes Western guys (I am assuming both you and him are Western) start to adopt the same kind of thinking once they have been here for a while, but it obviously harder for the women to start thinking the same way (especially since its him having all the fun!). I do know though of some Western women who have over time come to be OK with him "doing his thing" and just kind of turning a blind to it provided everything else is harmonious. Again, I am not saying you should adopt this way of thinking, but just thought you might find this interesting to know anyhow.
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hi fragrance
i find most of the suggetions given here are crap and would spoil your standing. just use ur own thought process and act for what suits you and ur family the best.
just dont listen or take all the crap advice given to you in this forum.
768 at a sauna is defnitely a price for massaga and plus some thing more physical but it is always up to the guy where he wants to limit it.
yu should be more rational and think with a positive and heathy mind to get a decent solution.
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first of all - thank you ALL for your suggestions . i do not think we should be judging anyone's suggestions . each has his/her own point of view .
anyways , yesterday i did casually mention to my husband that i have been told by somebody clearly that 768 is a price of more than only massage and he said i told you it i snot only body massage .. its a proper foot massage and we also have some food and drinks .. so this is a price for body and foot massage including food and drinks . and then i just left it to that because it would be of no use discussing further as we would reach nowhere .
Remmy - i agree with you that men don't like being told what to do and where to go , basically they do not like being controlled . But he surely has got the idea that he has been busted and knows he is wrong otherwise his attitude towards me would not have been so nice and in fact he would have been very rude so it surely is guilt .
i have no intentions to break my marriage - i just want to improve it better and work on it. i do have fun with girls when he is busy with other stuff or moreover when he travels.
he takes his buyers to these sleazy places is not becoz he wants to entertain them in tat manner. he takes only those buyers who want to be entertained that way . there are some buyers who want to hook up with girls when they come and thats why this happens . there are certain buyers he has whom he takes to good restaurants and nice bars .
yes i know that there are a lot of girls who ignore their husbands wrong doings . i don't think i can ignore it though .
now there is nothing for me to do i guess except watch his doings and if i do notice anything fishy then i will have to find a way to catch him red handed or rather with proof . any ideas how to catch him red handed or with solid proof for which he cannot argue back ?
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get a private detective...many HK women do
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where to find private detectives
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cyan
21 yrs ago
What you say kind of make sense, but I guess a private detective should give her much more then that.
Like, at least a full pricing list, how many times he goes there, does he really goes there with clients or alone as well? Eventually get in touch with the girl sending messages, etc. Not sure all this is possible, but at least he's a man and can go to the place.
But I believe the what Fragrance, being an honest person, is looking for is to be totally sure he did something wrong before she takes any real action.
Because until then, she'll give him the benefit of doubt. Which in fact exists.
Fragrance, unless the private investigator will give you hard prouf, and when you talk to him you have to tell him you only need him if he gets it. I believe you only have one choice.
Tell your husband how much this is "affecting" you and your relationship and ask him not to go there again? As in him proving he love's you and does not want anything interfere with your marriage. He wants to please his clients or his wife?
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cyan
21 yrs ago
So far all the proof you have are not as consistent right?
In all of this, and because you know him, there's still a chance he's telling the truth right, that's what makes it so hard. Not saying you are in denial. no. I believe your're really doing the right thing. it's just to hard to get to a "no doubts" point.
Tuttifrutti, with all the respect, maybe that's the price's you get there... but, does this places have fixed prices? or are they more accodinglly to the clients face? I have no idea, but that's just how I though this places worked.
Don't get upset with me, I know you're just trying to help with the situation as well. We just kind of have different views.
Good luck fragrance. Continue to be strong and rational.
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hi cyan ,
you have understood me right ! all i want to do is get substantial proof which means it either comes from someone who has been to this "particular" sauna or somehow get a price list .
i surely want to give the benefit of doubt to my husband . a lot of evidence points out to him going the wrong way but i still would want to be sure and mainly the proof would also help me in getting my husband to accept his doings .
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i think i need to wait and watch and when the time is right , take advantage . like i will let things lie easy now and if i do notice my husband going for late night again , i go and follow and check wats going on or get a detective to do the same .
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A friend of mine went to hot sun, it's in Causeway Bay , shhe said it was OK
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hi norbert88 - its called sun hot sauna and it is in prat avenue in tsim sha tsui .
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ohoh
21 yrs ago
Fragrance,
I feel pity on your situation, but I am 100%+ sure that $768 (or $1538 for 2) is FULL service.
- $339 = normal massage
- $539 = HJ
- $768 = SEX (of course you still have massage)
(+$100 if w/o late discount)
Food and beverages are of course free, even you choosed the normal package. Don't tell me he's having real expensive shark's fin or something like that...! It's not what they would offer.
I must say that your husband is very stupid using credit card, and having you possibly to check his bills. (you found out it is a sauna even it only say "sun hot" on the bill, so...)
But at the end, to the men, business is business. Provided he is really doing it, what are you planning to do, to protect/save/strength your marriage?
You still have a 0.000001% chance that your husband is paying for the SEX package, just to "impress" his client, and he himself did not "utilised" it, or because he is "good" to the girl since he's there many times....
Another killer strategy is since he said it's decent place for massage, ask him to go there together with you....
(I can tell you the Palm Spring would be some sauna place he would really go with you, or not afraid telling you over the phone when he's sitting there, the one in Causeway Bay Elizabeth House)
I somehow feel sorry to tell you the concrete truth, but I also don't like to be fooled by anyone.... but there's a saying that sometimes it's better to know nothing than everything....!
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ohoh
21 yrs ago
ummmmm, i understand this thread is idle for 2 days before i saw it, but maybe the creator would check back just to see anything...
frangrance, one last time, if you think you still have a place in his heart, then don't mind too much on what he's "physically" doing, but from your description, i don't picture him a very caring hubby, so GOOD LUCK!
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ok i have the complete picture now . it does make sense that 769 is surely not some pkg deal which includes foot massage and drinks / food . i am being given lies obviously .
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fragance, have not been to this particular sauna but I know the ones I have been to in HK have people floating around offering foot massage, ear cleaning, manicure ..., all for extra money. it's entirely possible to pay 768 in one of these places without receiving anything sexual. I'm not saying your husband is innocent, but it's not impossible that he is.
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to hehehe
what is really your problem man ??
hi dave lister ,
i know what you mean but i think there has been some sexual act for sure .. now what the real story is , i will never know so i think i am not going to think about it anymore but going to be suggesting my husband to take his clients to the sauna places that i know for sure are decent so that at least i have a peace of mind and he should not be saying that he has a problem really if they are only into only massage and sauna facilities . lets see what happens then .
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ohoh
21 yrs ago
fragrance, for any sauna/massage place which you think you know for decent, i'm pretty sure, that your hunsband's clients won't feel "decent" enough....
so what i mean is you don't seem to have much control over that, unless you should try to re-build a better relationship with your hub....
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HEHEHE.
i am sure this is your new identity . "jipsthedog" (your old identity) probably got you banned . better chill now at least !
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cyan
21 yrs ago
It's easy to tell people to leave...
Harder is to be honest and strong enough and keep rational looking for the truth, even knowing how har it will be to get there.
It's easy to tell people to leave...
here, based on a few words... harder of course for the one involved without BEING SURE, to leave a loved one, a relationship, etc....
It's insane to consider leaving someone if you're not sure about what's going on, if there's anything going on at all.
So far he still has a chance of being honest and clean.
Leave is just the easy way.
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justin ,
you want me to leave my husband because i find bills stating that he has been to the saunas ???? wow !!!
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cyan
21 yrs ago
humm... so whatever the situation and because someone is in doubt or even suspicious about a partner the solution is just to leave the person... talk about lack of comunication... lol
Since when being in doubt, and carefully trying to find the truth, without hurting or destroying the relationship is becoming a victim?
Relationships are not black and white as we humans are not black and white.
Besides.. even given the proof he did anything thing wrong, there's still a relationship to discuss, and it's to the couple to decide what to do next.
How can people believe it's better to trow everything because of the fear of the future... or the fear of other's past.
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cyan
21 yrs ago
Well sorry but no I haven't been cheated :) Not from my husband or any boyfriend before him.
So any opposition to your always sour opinions are not alowed?
And... are we supposed to tell others with different views to go and piss up a tree?
So I am wasting her time because she comes here for comments and my comments differ from yours...
If you have problems or a sad life it does not mean everybody else has it.
If you have been cheated it doesn't mean every men are cheaters you know?
This is a public forum and everybody is free to post their opinion about all it's posted if you don't like to have your comments debated just don't post them.
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ok now this is getting nowhere . i did post here but not for suggestions wether i should stay in this marriage or get out . thats not what i posted here for . i wanted info on saunas generally and on sun hot sauna in particular .
of course JC i will do what pleases me after being honest to myself - it is MY life and i know you care a less . pls don't get offended . each has his/her own belief .
i know i am going to get a lot of trash for this - but which man/woman does not face infidelity at some stage or point in their life ?? maybe only one in a hundred !
see - i found some things that made me doubt on my husband ... i put it on the table for him .. he came back with explainations and denies indulging in any sexual acts in these places . i am not a sauna expert . i say ok but do not get the peace in my mind so i come here asking for info which i get . makes me realise that its most likely or rather he should have been involved in a sexual act to pay such a price and now meanwhile, he has made no visits to any saunas (of course his buyers have not been here), he has had no late nights , all is going fine right now .
obviously he knows that i know everything and if he is concerned for me - he will not get into such acts anymore - now its all on him . i will surely get to know if he does any hank panky stuff henceforth and if he does then i will have to decide what is the next step . thats how i work .
now what is wierd is that i dont feel hurt , i am not going crazy , i don't feel sad - only reaction that i can see in me is ANGER . i find this is wierd about me but thats whats happening . maybe when i feel hurt / betrayed - i might react differently !
i will never be in that picture where in i am 50 and i am thinking why did i not leave my husband or i will be like why do i have to live with him now .. NEVER EVER !!!
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cyan ,
i really really appreciate your posts - thanks . you sound realistic and practical !
and as for hehehe ,
i really am going to ignore you henceforth - you are non existing for me because you are just having fun reading and passing silly comments . just stop posting here .
jc ,
cyan is right actually . probably , you have issues . good that you edited your comment o/w everyone would really be trashing you with their posts . you need to get over your last episode . and stop taking this cheating thing toooo seriously . i do not believe that your mom and grandmom found their husbands cheating and still allowed the husbands to cheat on them . they should have left them instead of regretting later on in life .
i , as of now , have been living with doubts . my doubt is becoming stronger that my husband must have been involved more than only massage but you are mistaken if you think women get cheated and then sit and brood and regret later . i am not one of those . as of now i dont feel cheated yet .. i just feel my husband is getting into too much fun right now and needs to realise that it cannot be accepted by his wife .
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Fragrance,
If the bill was HKD 768.00 [for 1 person] in a Tsimshatsui Massage parlour then I can personally confirm it was for a 90 mins double session [normally only a double session qualifies for the extra services] for which you'll pay around HKD 300-400 for a genuine massage. The "extras" normally include a handjob for HKD 300-400 more & some places you can also have sex but this generally pushes the tab to close to HKD 1,000 if not more! It should be noted that I have paid using my credit card for others & they re-imburse me later to avoid detection by Girlfriends.
As for New Makati it is something of a pick-up joint for cheap Gweilo's to find sex partners but I have also been inside just to have a drink & check-out the "Eye Candy" & the live music is sometimes good. Sunday is the day if you're looking for a good time in a room rented by the hour with an Amah who has been bored all week.
I'm sure you probably didn't want to know this but there it is - but remember that professional philanderer's don't put trips to the rub shop on their credit cards [they'll pay in cash with no apparent trace] & certainly wouldn't give out a cellphone no. [apart from the second one they keep at work & have the bills sent to the office].
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21 yrs ago
right, sauna places don't just open during late nights, and they don't only accept credit cards...
so knowing (or thinking) whether his doing it or not don't solve the problem by itself...
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hey jc - i guess i just got offended the way you pictured me being 50 with some std and brooding and regretting my decision of not leaving my husband (it was not only your opinion posted there but you actually judged me as well) although now i feel like laughing !
also maybe because i was not looking for opinions wether i should leave or be with my husband . that is a very personal decision to make .
i do like reading your posts though !
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Hi, I really must laugh for such a naive inquiry about a husbands expenditures and the urge of a partner to find out in detail for what it was and if it is good or not etc etc. For me it is redicoulous to ask advise/find out details of your partner's entertainment in such places and assume something...TALK TO HIM and either believe and trust in him or not. Digging into something without knowing is the worse you can do for your relationship and it will destroy it.
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Fragrance - your husband is a lost cause. Either put up with the fact that he's out getting pussy whenever he feels like it and is quite happy to lie to you about it; or else leave him. It really depends on how much you value yourself.
I think you've read enough hear; to keep going on talking about it here is just worthless self-indulgence.
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