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crj
20 yrs ago
Just wanted to share our experience of starting solids.
We planned to start at 6 months, but had to start at 5.
I was very reluctant to start solids, but was told to by the midwife because baby is very small and not gaining enough.
After 10 days the weight has gone back up and he is very happy.
We are still breast feeding 6 times a day.
But for the mid-morning feed (around 10), we do one breast, then food, then the other breast.
The first 2 days:
2 Tablespoons Breast Milk mixed with 1 Teaspoon organic brown rice baby food.
It basically dissolved, and it was the consistency of breast milk.
I started with having him suck my finger, then we moved to a spoon.
I am sure more was outside than inside!
Days 3-6:
4 Tablespoons of breast milk with 2 teaspoons of brown rice
Same as above, just more. With slightly more getting inside!
Day 7:
We tried banana, didn’t like it, went back to brown rice mix
Day 8-11:
4 Tablespoons breast milk 2 teaspoons organic avocado
Amazing, but he LOVES this.
We even started letting him 'lick' the extra mashed avocado off the spoon, and he was getting an extra 2 teaspoons this way
Day 12:
4 1/2 Tablespoons breast milk with 2 Tablespoons Avocado
For the first time it wasn’t so liquid, but not quite the consistency of applesauce yet.
Quite thick, he ate it all, plus an additional Tablespoon and a bit more of mashed avocado.
We will try sweet potato next… and get up to two meals a day soon too.
What I noticed, was the first week it was really more like practice… for him and for us. Each day he got more and more inside, but still drank a lot of breast milk after. There was food on his neck, race, behind his ears, in his ears… you name it! After the first day, I just dunked him under the shower!
The second week, with the avocado, he ate a lot more, and drank less breast milk after. He loves avocado :) We tried banana but it didn’t work at all.
It has not been scary, actually it is a lot of fun. But it does take a very long time… 30 or more minutes some days…
What are your first ‘solids’ experiences??
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Hey Crj,
How old is your baby again? Mine is 3 months, thinking of starting only at 6 as that is the recommended age. But I am getting worried about his milk intake. He feeds 5 times a day (formula) but he is actually drinking less in the day. Evening and the night feed is fine, my mom jokes that he knows he needs to tank up for the night! So curious about how much constitutes not growing enough? We only see the doc next month for his jab, am keeping a milk log to show the doc!
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sorry crj i was doing too many things at once while reading your email and see that you wrote your bubs was 5mths when you started
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crj
20 yrs ago
I just added that after I saw your post - realised I should have put it in.
He is 5 months.
We knew he wasn't gaining enough because he fell way below his 'curve' on the growth chart.
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Hmmm...I guess I'll observe his milk intake for another month and then discuss with his doc. I suspect I have to start him early too if he doesn't drink more. The problem is he just doesn't seem hungry and while my mom said it's ok, can't expect a baby to drink the same amount everytime, i can't help thinking, isn't that what babies want to do all the time - drink milk?
sorry, rant over.....will continue reading this thread so that i know what to expect when my time comes!
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crj
20 yrs ago
Wheelymate ->
Do you have a list of all his measurements from each doctor visit - weight and height?
You can plot this and see for yourself. And you can go and get him measured this week to check.
Here is a link to charts:
http://www.who.int/childgrowth/standards/en/
Or you can go to the software link on the left and download the Anthro 2005 PC and use an electronic chart that you can update at home - similar to what your doctor probably uses to chart the baby's growth.
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thanks, crj! shall try and see...
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crj
20 yrs ago
KKH - how old was your baby and how many weeks were you feeding him before he started eating food thick and creamy?
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crj
20 yrs ago
Mrs Miggins - ha ha. You are one of those on this thread I learn so much from. I sooo appreciate that you are a few months ahead of me as you always ask questions first :) I pretty much feel like a mess most of the time!
We use Super Baby Foods by Ruth Yaron. The book has great information, but to be honest she babbles on way to much - just had to sift through to find what we wanted.
Our boy gets a bit frustrated too if not fast enough - but I feed him first which helps, and now that he is better at the slightly thicker food he seems happier with the speed.
The midwife said orange coloured foods are good for baby - so you have a very smart baby!
So question for you.
How do you feed while out... it is so messy at this stage. bibs are a joke, I have to change him and wash him in the sink after each meal. I am a bit nervous about feeding him out. Should I wait until he is eating thicker food?
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crj
20 yrs ago
Another good resource, it lists the calories and fat content of common fresh and bought baby foods:
http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/vitamins/babyfoodcalories.html
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CRJ -
I found it easier feeding Emilly out when she was eating thicker foods - as you've figured out. I know it isn't very environmentally friendly, but the pampers bibsters - L size with the front pouch will save you when you eat out. (I only use them when we go out - when we eat in, it's cloth.) A ton of stuff will fall into the pouch and that will prevent you from having to go all over the place. Sounds like your baby is soon on his way to thicker foods...experiment by adding a bit less breastmilk one day and watch to see how he does with the swallowing. The first two-three weeks is definitely a lot of practice for him, figuring out where the tongue goes and how to keep the food going down and all that nonsense.
I love Annabel Karmel's book also, but find that her recipes are a bit too fancy for a younger baby - I think after the baby is 14 months or so it's better. I prefered Super Baby Foods because I found it to be more straightforward and made introducing individual vegetables and foods much more easier. (not to mention the preparation and serving of foods easier on moms who work.) I also liked the emphasis in Ruth Yaron's book on the whole grain/legume combination for good protein and fiber intake. (her super baby porridge.) But, my GOODNES, the woman does babble on and you have to dig around to get what you want. (which is why I made my own summary of her "which foods to introduce when" which is the most helpful part of the book.)
My daughter used the Super Baby Foods and ate really strong tasting veggies like kale and broccoli and all the legumes. She gobbled it up until she was about 13 months, when my mother in law came and started giving her seasoned foods. (up until then all her food had no sugar or salt.) That ruined it - I would have preferred to have kept her with the non seasoned foods, but after she realized how other foods tasted with seasonings, there was no going back. I know that different cultures are very different about this. Koreans season their babies' foods as do the Indians. For some reason, I didn't want to expose this to my baby at such a young age. (no scientific reason, just a preference.)
I'm not sure if it's the fact that she ate so many strong tasting veggies and legumes while she was young, but now, at 2 years old, my daughter eats EVERYTHING. (with seasoning of course.) She enjoys her food, relishes it, and is famous at her school for eating the vegetables that other kids refuse to even taste. Her teachers have always commented to me about how much she enjoys her meals and tries everything.
My mother in law saw how well she ate and also was impressed. (not an easily impressed woman either.) She decided that what I did with my daughter at a young age was so worth it, that she wants to do it for my sister in laws infant. (she wasn't impressed when I was doing it originally and thought I was a bit crazy to be steaming, pureeing and straining my own foods.)
I LOVED feeding my baby - everyone who came and watched me feed her also loved it as well - because she always ate with such relish! Not to mention that she has NEVER ever been constipated in her life...to this day.
As for orange foods - my daughter ate so many of them her toes started turning a bit orange and around her nose was also orange. (carrots, squash, courgettes, sweet potatoes.) Some people have said that too much vitamin A is not good - and an indicator is if your child starts turning a bit orange. i've talked to my doc about this and her response was that VITAMIN A from food is not harmful but Vitamin A from pills are. i'm curious if anyone else has any comments on this issue.
There is this great japanese rice cracker - made with plain white rice and no other additives. Tastes like styrofoam to me. But my daughter loved them. They melt very easily and are designed for babies. I used to get mine at Great. Once your baby has decent head control and can be on all fours, these are fun for them to chew and spit out and get all over the floor.
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Mrs. Miggins -
it's not a rice cake - it's more a rice cracker. It definitely melts easier than a rice cake and much more easily than some of the other baby crackers and stuff out there. It does taste like nothing special - but more about helping your child practice holding things and eating something. When i'm really hungry, they still taste like nothing...hahahah.
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Microwave: hope i don't sound too silly about it so it's safe then to microwave baby food - no radiation fears or uneven heating?
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wow i just wanted to say all you you are soooo GREAT to share all this info (on any of the topics). I LOVE LOVE LOVE this forum and will sooo miss it when we eventually move back to Australia, i am learning so much from you all and i appericate so greatly my baby will ahve the benifit of all your experiences of what works and doesn't work. Yes i understand every baby is different but from your vast knowledge my bubs is going to be so smart (well smarter he he eh) and such a good eater. THANK YOU ALL
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crj
20 yrs ago
Thanks KKH
Around what age does a baby show interest in finger food?
Did anyone use teething biscuits or rusk? If so, at what age?
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I feed my bubs EBM and the last couple o days she is getting really fussy drinking from the bottle. She chats a lot (babbles) and is a little restless is this a sign i need to move onto soilds?
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crj
20 yrs ago
There are 'signs' which I posted below, although babbling is not one of the ones I have read.
Our baby had NONE of the below signs! It was the midwife that told us baby was not gaining enough and we had to start. He is loving avocado and now sweet potato and has gained weight :)
So if you have any concerns a midwife/doctor can offer a good opinion too.
KellyMom a very pro-breastfeeding resource has this to say:
http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/solids/solids-when.html#developmental
Signs that indicate baby is developmentally ready for solids include:
Baby can sit up well without support.
Baby has lost the tongue-thrust reflex and does not automatically push solids out of his mouth with his tongue.
Baby is ready and willing to chew.
Baby is developing a “pincer” grasp, where he picks up food or other objects between thumb and forefinger. Using the fingers and scraping the food into the palm of the hand (palmar grasp) does not substitute for pincer grasp development.
Baby is eager to participate in mealtime and may try to grab food and put it in his mouth.
Dr Sears has the below to add:
http://www.askdrsears.com/html/3/T032000.asp
(see the paragraph called "How will I know when my baby is ready for solids?")
Able to sit with support, reaches and grabs, and mouths hands and toys
Watches you eat, following your fork as it moves from plate to mouth
"Mooches," reaching for food on your plate
Mimicks your eating behaviors, such as opening her mouth wide when you open your mouth to eat. Grabbing your spoon is not a reliable sign of feeding readiness, since baby may be more interested in the noise, shape, and feel of your utensils rather than the food stuff on them.
Baby can show and tell. Around six months of age babies have the ability to say "yes" to wanting food by reaching or leaning toward the food and "no" by pushing or turning away. Expect mixed messages as your baby learns to communicate. When in doubt, offer, but don't force
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check to see if she is teething - sometimes that discomfort makes them a bit fussier at eating time.
More than the chatting - if you eat in front of her, does she imitate your mouth, trying to eat food herself? Does she seem interested in what you are putting in your mouth as well?
Does she have good neck and head control - if she sat in a high chair would she be able to sit up reasonably well?
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Thanks for your advice hkchoichoi on another note i was curious to know a few things for when i move my daughter onto solids.
1st how many times a day should she have solids if she is taking 5 bottles of BM a day.
2nd How will i know when to cut any of the bottles out. I plan on giving her BM until she can move onto cow's milk.
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I'm about 3 months away from weaning and i recently bought gina ford's contented little baby book on weaning. Gives you ideas about what time to give solids, how much, when to cut down on feeds, etc. in my free nappy bag from the hospital, there was also this complimentary booklet on weaning which basically says the same stuff and gives the same advice. so look around for a book on weaning, that should help! since we're meeting up tomorrow, i'll bring my book along for a browse! :)
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thanks wheelymate i have GF but her weaning times are based on her daily schedual as i'm not following that i wanted a general picture.
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crj
20 yrs ago
We started with one meal a day at the mid-morning meal.
1/2 the normal amount of breastmilk first.
Followed by 'food'
Followed by the rest of the breastmilk.
As far as I can tell, you don't actually 'exchange' food for breastmilk/bottle for quite a while - not sure when, will let you know!
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ok thanks crj i'll await your experiences.
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crj
20 yrs ago
I think many of us started breast feeding thinking that 'solids will replace meals' it was a bit of a suprise to discover that the breast feeding is an ongoing part of the meals!
BTW - we are on sweet potato now. This is our third week of solids, and we are much better at getting it in his mouth and swallowed. Less on the outside, more on the inside.... and yesterday we had our first sweet potato poo :P
He is having 100 ml of sweet potato mixed with 50 ml of breast milk - and he finishes it... we will be increasing the amount tomorrow! Considering we started talking about teaspoons of food just 2-3 weeks ago, this progress to larger meals happened very fast!
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suze
20 yrs ago
crj you ask such great questions!!! My No.3 is 4 months and I am afraid to say I jar fed the first 2 but looking forward to cooking my own for this one! Great thread!
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Perthites -
Since ours are almost the same age, do you want to try to do it together? I can let you know what i'm going to try on a particular day and you try the same? Since i've done it before - I don't remember EXACTLY what I did, but I think most of it will come back to me as I do it again.
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ohhh YES PLEASE...yeah that would be great. I was just reading crj reply and thinking do you have to mix BM with all the vegies. Your my angel hkchoichoi.
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Perthites -
you mix breastmilk with a lot of things initially to thin it out - particular sweet potoates as they are sort of "stiff." It's convenient to mix breastmilk with a lot of things as it makes it also taste a bit more "familiar" to the baby. There were quite a few veggies I didn't mix with milk - kabocha squash as I discovered that most of them pureed really smooth and liquidy. Eventually the baby can take the more chunky stuff and you can not worry about the breastmilk addition.
For videotaping purposes, I was planning on starting on the 12th of august because that way my husband can tape. (my daughter will be 6 months and a day.) We'll have to figure out a start date that will work out for both of us.
don't stress - you'll figure out what your baby likes pretty easily - and it's loads of FUN! Initially most of the nutrtion is coming from your booby juice anyways - so you don't have to worry if they are spitting out more than half or all of what you give. It's more about getting them used to different tastes and textures.
I sent you the super baby foods summary right? I'll be going off of that...so take a look - Pretty much i'll start with rice cereal mixed with breastmilk and then sweet potaotes, squash and avocado. Those will probably be my first foods. (avocados are SO expensive in Seoul - but nothing is too good for my baby!)
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I was looking at some rice cereal in the supermarket the other day and it seemed to have a lot od sodium in it. Which brand is best to use? I want to see if i could find some organic rice cereal as the whole point of the super baby food was that there was no seasonings. Can anyone advise.
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there is an organic food shop in tanglin mall, they might have that since the whole mall is quite baby friendly. and think some of the ntuc supermarket have organic corners these days, you might find them.
babies r us at paragons sells some organic jar food but not sure if they sell organic rice cereal.
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hkchoichoi am very keen i will probably start mine on the the 7th August rather than waiting 6mth and a day just beacuse it's a monday and will be easier for me to follow what i'm doing.
What rice cereal will you use?
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Also any one had any experience of routine change around 5ths. We had a really good routine of up 1 1/2 hrs sleep 1 1/2 hrs from 7.30am now i some times struggle to get her to even drink her milk she just doesn't seem to want it so it can take me over an hour to feed her and her sleeps are all oveer the place usually less in time. She is moving around more so her energy levels are higher so if anything i thought her feeding and sleeping would increase. She's still (currently) sleeping thru the night i'm planning on starting solids in another 5-6weeks
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Perthites - I am going to the US in a couple of weeks and plan to stock up on Earth's Best Organics probably - unless I find something else I like. Emily was only on the commercial rice cereal for about 6 weeks and then I started making my own. I also used the Enfamil vitamin drops with Iron after she was off the commercial rice cereal.
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How did you make your own? I will keep loooking for some organic cereral or at least a healthier alternative.
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Perthites -
the commercial prepackaged is nice when your baby is only taking teaspoonful of rice mixed in with four times as much breastmilk. but as they get used to thicker foods, the rice cereal is easy to make home. I used to just take 1/2 cup rice and mix it with 2 cups of water and then boil it until it was a thick congee - and then puree it so it was smooth. i did this with brown rice, barley rice, red rice, and all sorts of grains. It's very simple - but sort of pain if all your child is eating is 1 teaspoonful. After the start eating more, you can just make a batch and keep in the fridge and heat it up as necessary. Eventually I was just mixing in the frozen veggie cubes into the rice and mixing and heating it up before the meals.
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oh ok i'm not a big grains eater or rice for that matter so i am a little out of my depth.
I have a friend who lives in the US so i have asked her to look out for th book Super Baby Foods to send to me...that way i can stop hasseling you!
on another note did you notice a routine change at 5mths? We are now trying a 4 hour routine 2 up 2 down.
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bw
20 yrs ago
hkchoichoi, I remember you mentioned in another thread that you made a summary of when and what solids to start for a baby from Super Baby Foods. Could I have a copy of that ? Thanks.
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crj
20 yrs ago
You can order Super Baby Foods from http://www.paddyfield.com
Just one warning about it - the woman likes to babble on... so it is a very long book with a lot of good information... but not well organised.
For starters she suggests:
Baby Cereal Brown Rice with fortified iron
Ripe avocado (raw)
Ripe banana (raw)
sweet potato (steamed)
choose one of the above.
Mix qith breat milk or formula.
feed at the mid-morning meal, after breast milk/formula
feed the same food for 4-6 days to check for allergies, then try a new food.
Many doctors and books suggest starting with the store bought rice cereal first because baby needs the iron. We are now using the oatmeal cereal with iron too.
We buy organic, whole grain types which are available in the HK supermarkets.
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crj
20 yrs ago
This link was on another thread and I found it very informative:
http://www.wholesomebabyfood.com
BTW - we went from super liquidy food to very think and gloppy food very fast - now he won't touch it if it is not thick and gloppy :)
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crj
20 yrs ago
It has been a month now.
We are up to 2 meals a day 10am and 5 pm.
so far we have introduced:
organic brown rice (we started with this, but once he tasted other foods he does not like it so much anymore)
organic oatmeal (he likes it thick)
avocado (his favourite)
sweet potato (also a winner)
mango (today!)
banana (he still does not like - we have tried twice)
I try to buy organic when I can, but sometimes the food is not.
Now he is 6 monhts, and we are planning to introduce:
papaya
millet
(squash, we know we can, but not many calories so we have decided not to as he needs calories)
When did you start Yogurt?
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CRJ -
do you know the japenese kabocha pumpkin - squash? That is not super high in calories but it is more caloric than the summer squash (courgettes and zucchini and whatnot.) Great sells the kabocha squash which is a small green pumpkin and it is excellent as a baby food. I bet if you mix it with the brown rice your baby will take to it as it is quite tasty.
Yogurt I waited until she was 7 months old. I bought plain, unsweetened no flavor yogurt. Sometimes one of my friends who made it at home also gave it to me. She claimed it was easy to make at home as many people do, but I was too chicken to make it and didn't try.
One thing about trying baby food - if at first he refuses, keep trying. It may be a texture thing (bananas are sort of slimy) or a taste thing but expose it to him often and more often. In fact, if you can handle it (meaning if you dont' mind eating a banana a day) I would try and give it to him every day anyways. Just a bite to see what he does. A single, or double refusal doesn't mean he won't eventually take it.
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where do you buy organice brown rice?
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crj
20 yrs ago
Hi HKCC
Thanks!
I want to try the pumpkin for sure - I'll look at Great.
Yogurt and Tofu - I did more reading and think we will wait 8 months for yogurt, I think we are going to err on the side of later for milk and protein products.
Mango was a big hit, and now we will try organic millet as our next grain. We have to make this one ourselves :)
Hi Ellie
Most of the ParkNShops and other supermarkets carry Earth's Best or other organic baby food. The Oatmeal and Brown Rice come in a box, and we mix with breast milk.
We are using this now.
But soon, we will make our own.
Wellcome in Repulse Bay has a lot of organic rices and foods, and they are not as expensive as Great/CitySuper.
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pertithes,
i bought super baby foods from kinokuniya and it's available at borders too if you are still looking for it.
question about baby rice: most readings i have done and the postings here seem to suggest organic brown rice to feed baby. but i was advised by the nurse at the doc's clinic not to start off with brown rice because it can cause potential allergies. is that true?
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RiceT
20 yrs ago
wheelymate - some doctors (and authors) suggest not starting with grains because they are more difficult to digest than the suggested veggies and fruits. i believe the thought then is that if they are difficult to digest, they can pass through "holes" in the baby's digestive system, causing the system to identify the substance (the food that has not been broken down properly/fully, etc.) as harmful. thereafter, the body could potentially attack the substance each time it is present, thus triggering an allergic reaction.
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Rice T: thanks for explaining. so is it best to follow my doc's advice then to start off with those commercial baby rice? not sure if you have heard of this book mentioned in this thread before, super baby foods - the author recommends organic brown rice but at the same time puts a big disclaimer that our doc's advice always comes first.
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RiceT
20 yrs ago
wheely - not sure, guess you have to weigh the options and your own family history...like, do you have allergies in the family?, etc.. when i read about this, i chose to stick to more veggies and fruit...i.e. more nature(we hope!)-made things. i do feed organic baby oatmeal cereal here and there. have you checked out earth's best organic baby rice cereal? by the way, why is your doc recommending starting with the baby rice? for iron? if so, the baby oatmeal has it too, and i THINK i read somewhere that oatmeal may be easier than the rice. you can obviously also get the nutrients the baby needs in veggies and fruits and whatever other non-commercial foods...and of course the formula.
anyway, earth's best does have pretty decent cereals, even sell them in wellcome. if you haven't seen them, they come in a box and you add water or breastmilk or formula to suit your needs/requirements.
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no known allergies in the family.
doc recommended solids because of low milk intake (i struggle to get him to drink 600-700ml per day). i delayed it for one month as i was hoping that the situation would improve, etc. but alas it hasn't so i introduced baby rice to him just now.
i have been advised by the clinic not to feed brown rice for the time being, the recommendation is for commercial baby white rice. earth's best one is brown rice. i am visiting the UK end of the month and i browse through the sainsbury website and saw that they sell organic baby white rice. we will try it when we are there and buy to bring back if it's any good.
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wow -
seems a new crop of new moms will be weaning their kids - and I realize from this thread how many old moms aren't on any more - made me a tad sad...
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Just saw this thread, now my little guy is 7 months and is on solids and loves them. Glad to see I'm doing things 'right!' As always, you ladies are SO helpful and am happy to get information from such caring mothers. Yes HKCC, don't see some of these names anymore...but please, keep us posted of your babies. :)
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My baby is five months old and we started with rice cereal about 18 days ago.
He loooovves his rice cereal.
so far i've tried
rice cereal with breastmilk,
rice cereal with bananas or cooked apple sauce or cooked pears and breastmilk or formula.
Rice cereal with pureed butternut squash and or water from boiling carrots.
This morning he had his first taste of avocado and he really liked it.
the do's and don'ts of introducing solids seem to be very varied and depend a lot on where you're from.
Italians give babies olive oil and parmesan cheese, and grated raw apples really early (4-5months)!
The only thing my baby has objected to so far is the grated apples.
he loves being spoon fed, and got the hang of it almost straightaway. he knows how to refuse food (by spitting it all over his mum)
I do have some questions
1. do you all sterilise everything? bowls spoons, forks strainer etc before using (i do, would like to know for how long i need to continue).
2. do you strain everything before feeding baby? like boiled squash, apples, pears etc? or do you just mash and feed?
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May I ask where do you buy rice cereal? Are there any organic ones in the stores?
Also when you are mixing milk with the cereals or brown rice, do you get the milk from the usual full feed? i.e. if he is drinking 8 ounces each feed, do you take an ounce or two from the 8 ounce, mix it with the solids, then feed him the remaining 6 ounces of milk after the solids?
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crj
19 yrs ago
Citysuper, Health-Gate and sometimes ParkNShop (Parkview) have the Earth's Best Organic Whole Grain Brown Rice Cereal.
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hkcc,
people have moved on!
yes it's sad though as i don't think i could have survived my son's 1st year without advice on this forum!
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GWS: You can use the milk from a full feed and then give your baby the rest.
But the first week or so the actual amount of solids that your baby actually has won't be a lot - so probably you can mix the cereal with two ounces and then offer him his usual bottle. he will drink what he wants and leave the rest.
Start with a teaspoon of cereal (or anything else that you are planning to start with)- make sure your baby likes it and also that his stomach has no problems with it.
It's quite interesting introducing solids...
have good fun!
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