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honeypie
18 yrs ago
Do you use heater in baby's room at night?
My son wears 2.5 tog grobag but hands and ears are very cold in the morning.
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PDNS
18 yrs ago
only use when baby takes a bath. with 2.5 tog grobag, wear 2 layers of thick tops, a thin layer of long pants or socks. the hands are warm and nice.
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Hi PDNS,
Yes, he wears 2.5 tog, one long sleeves onesies, one pajama top, and pants. His feet are not cold so i don't let him wear socks. His hands are still cold.
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hey honeypie!
I had the problem also when the weather turned cold 2 months ago but my in-laws told me if he wears enough of clothes his hands will be warm. she told me to buy wool top for him so l bought and let him wear to sleep, it certainly help. you can buy the wool from i think the brand is name "Chick' or something like this or get the one from the street market, yellow or brown in colour. if not, wear another layer until you feel that his hands are warm before he goes to sleep.
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i put the heater on at min in baby's room. he has sooo many layers and grobag on that it makes him really angry when he changes position.
also the heater seems to help with the humidity. but i check on him about 4 - 5 times...
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Cool but not freezing hands are ok. In fact warm or hot hands are an indication that your baby is TOO WARM. If his arms start getting cold above the elbows he is too cold. Most babies and children are overdressed and this is particularly common in warmer climates because quite frankly few people here know how to dress for cold. Babies that are always too warm lose their ability to regulate temperature, and it can create difficulties later in life. From comments in this thread I would suspect some of your children are overdressed.
Cool ears are ok too as long as they are not freezing. Worst case you can buy a cotton cap.
Feet should always be warm.
Just to put HK "winter" in perspective, in Sweden babies are routinely left outside in winter for their afternoon nap in temperatures down to minus 10 Celsius. They are bundled up nice and warmly in winter clothes, cap, gloves and bag and put in a stroller on a balcony or in a back garden, or taken for a long walk. We did this with our daughter in Connecticut. Babies (and adults) sleep so well when it's a bit cold as long as they are well covered. Sleeping in the cold gives baby rosy cheeks, a healthy complexion and in places less polluted than HK a nice dose of fresh air.
I would say that with the high humidity in HK, a heater on low can help make the "winter" environment less "raw" and is probably a good thing. But stuffy, hot air is never a good idea.
As for how to dress for cold, layering is the best method. Multiple thin layers are warmer than one thick one. Most important is to continually adapt clothin to temperature and activity level. If your child (or your adult) is crawling or running around, remove layers before he/she starts to sweat. Otherwise when he/she stops being active, the perspiration will cool him/her off very rapidly and increase likelihood of getting a cold. Of course, when activity stops, put layers back on.
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"agree with you (yet again) axptguy. "
Lol. It's like we have forum telepathy going or something.
"my hubby, hk born and raised, is the opposite. he HATES the cold and sleeps in layers upon layers of clothing in this temperature."
Maybe he can be taught to snuggle up close to you instead? ;)
I understand that it's a matter of habit. I certainly suffer in the heat in summer. But I often wonder how people from warm climates like HK think we survive in the winter in places like Canada and Scandinavia. I mean they "have to" wear their North Face winter jackets now. What happens if they should land in some real cold? A second North Face jacket on top of the first one? ;)
Also I feel sorry for the kids. They're sweltering in there.
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PDNS
18 yrs ago
then why is it that my swedish friends (husband and wife) wearing north face jacket and put on their two kids layer of clothes and telling me that it is really cold here!!??? and even their family members came for a visit and having thick jackets on? are they not from Ice places to humid and hot HK? They said the only diffrent is that they have heater on the house that is why they wear less but when it is out with wet, humid and cold weather, thick jacket is a must!
Ironically, my friend who is Singaporean ( man, it is hot there!) moved here 3 years ago complaint no winter in Hk , has to go Beijing with kids and hubby for cold. Hubby is New Zealander is complaining about how cold in HK! He is having warm inner wears plus down jacket and scarf.
where do we go from here?
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It is all relative!! PDNS is right it feels colder here because the apartments are not centrally heated like they are in Europe hence you don't get the instant relief from the cold. In Europe you tend to hop in and out of cars alot more where as in HK you are in the streets alot more getting from A to B on public transport. Just like we are not good at "adapting" to the cold here Europe can't cope with a "heat wave" (30C!!!).
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i'm from a warm climate and my hubby from a cold one. he's complaingin about the cold jsut as much as me and it was his idea to turn the heater on in baby's room.....
Apart from one rather unorthodox freind of hubby's most europeans have their houses heated to a nice toasty 20-23degrees celsius.
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"then why is it that my swedish friends (husband and wife) wearing north face jacket and put on their two kids layer of clothes and telling me that it is really cold here!!??? and even their family members came for a visit and having thick jackets on? are they not from Ice places to humid and hot HK? They said the only diffrent is that they have heater on the house that is why they wear less but when it is out with wet, humid and cold weather, thick jacket is a must!"
I don't know. I seem to be warmer outside than indoors now. As soon as I sit down I'm done for. I will agree that the humidity makes 12 Celsius in HK much worse than 12 Celsius in Sweden.
There's also the mental factor. For a Swede, 12 Celsius is pretty mild. So we have a tendency to underdress for it here in HK.
"It is all relative!! PDNS is right it feels colder here because the apartments are not centrally heated like they are in Europe hence you don't get the instant relief from the cold."
Agreed. Ironically if the houses here were better insulated they could both cope with cold better AND retain cool better in summer. Lower bills all year round. But I digress...
"however, there are some locals that take the "cold" here way too hard. i had a student once, no exageration, that came to my house when it was 24C with....7 thick layers on. i asked her if we could take a couple of them off as she was sweating away. the response, "my grandma will be angry with me.""
LOL!
In preschool today, a pair of Chinese twins came in with 7 layers. They were all sleepy and their hands were burning. I said that perhaps if they took the jackets off they would wake up. But noooo... Meanwhile my daughter had 2 cotton layers on. I asked her if she needed a jumper and she emphatically said no.
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Agree with axptguy, I am Danish and our babies sleep outside in their prams for their daytime naps all year round! They sleep much better and are just wearing extra layers.
We're moving to HK next week from London and English homes are NOT well insulated either... quite damp and cold. However, our 9 m old baby sleeps perfectly in such cold rooms (so do my husband and I). Our midwives & health visitors here say it is perfectly normal for babies to have cold hands and feet, and it's also better for babies to sleep barefoot (i.e. footless sleepsuits) in general, which is probably why all Scandinavian baby clothes are footless. Our baby has really cold hands in the morning, and even when the thermometer has shown [GASP!] 10 degrees celcius in her room in the morning, she has slept perfectly. I fretted about it for ages and contemplated several times putting mittens on her hands in the middle of the night, but all the health visitors & doctors (I got numerous opinions!) and my Danish friends and family said it was fine.
However, when the temperature has dropped below 17 degrees celcius in the bedroom (they say here that 17 degrees is the perfect nursery temperature) then I have simply dressed her in a sleepsuit, a long sleeved top on top of that, a 2.5 tog sleeping bag and a Danish/Scandinavian 'all-year-round' duvet - otherwise she fidgets around 4am because she's too cold - but as soon as she has the extra duvet on, she's fine. I don't suppose it gets that cold in HK!! But I'm bringing all her warm clothes anyway... :)
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BodiAyan, I'm glad we agree. ;) It's funny how I have tried to explain things to locals acquaintances but they look at me like I'm from Mars. I'm like "yes really". And it's not like I would doubt their expertise in dealing with hot and humid weather.
I would note that HK is much more humid than London so you will find the perceived temperature lower than usual. That is to say, if 17 degrees in London feels like 13 degrees due to humidity, it will feel like 8-9 degrees here in HK. But "adapt, improvise, overcome".
In some areas, the air is too bad for outside naps. Also during some smoggy periods it's bad even in the good areas.
When it comes to footless I don't know. It depends. Covers other than growbag for babies are a suspected cause of SIDS and a big nono in the US. No blankets, no duvets, no nothing except pajamas and growbag until at least 12 months. I know this isn't the case in Sweden. In any case this often makes socks or footed pajamas necessary.
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BodyAyan,
Whatever and however you (or others)think, just bring along the things that you want to bring. We do not know how long the snow storm in China is going to affect our climax or temperature or weather in HK but it will be good to bring.
each person, each culture, each country, each etc has their own opinion in eating, dressing, make-up, partying.... etc... do whatever you feel the best for yourself and your family and leave other do theirs. Input/s, opinion/s is/are generally welcome here but don't impose. Oh by the way, I am definitely not local.
Longing for sunshine
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PDNS
18 yrs ago
Hahahaha! Cara, Imagine we are from real cold world but in need of heater :) we had heater on last night and it is on right now! at least there was no rain in the afternoon and brought kids out, we all feel so good!
Baby made big pooh so got to go!
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"Hahahaha! Cara, Imagine we are from real cold world but in need of heater :) we had heater on last night and it is on right now! at least there was no rain in the afternoon and brought kids out, we all feel so good!"
Yeah no kidding.
I feel sad for my daughter being at the playground with no other kids in this weather.
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strange, on this side of the border lots of kids are out and about. All wrapped up like little michelin men, but running around just the same.
it's quite funny to see some of the chinese outfits that are so padded, but bums are uncovered as they are all potty trained and don't do diapers!!
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"it's quite funny to see some of the chinese outfits that are so padded, but bums are uncovered as they are all potty trained and don't do diapers!!"
Wow. I didn't know that. Are there pictures of this phenomenon?
"strange, on this side of the border lots of kids are out and about."
I get the feeling HKers are city folk through and through. In smaller towns where people are more used to the outdoors the kind of "cold kills" behavior you see here is unusual.
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Wow. I'm just wondering about gravity though. I mean s**t still rolls downwards and at some point it will impact cloth.
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:-))
18 yrs ago
I have a heater on low in my kids' bedroom and try to keep the room above 18C. They're both born in HK and in the summer they sleep in a room with low aircon and no bedding - the aircon set to 25 or 26C. Having gotten used to that temp, I find that they wake up more if the room is not warm enough, no matter how many layers I put on.
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18-20 is quite a nice temperature for night time actually.
Layers by themselves aren't enough. Concentrate effort on some areas. Keeping the feet and torso warm are the important things. If you have cold feet, you'll feel cold regardless of how warm the rest of the body is.
Also how is layering below the body? A warm duvet won't keep them warm if the mattress is thin and the bedframe cold. Same with shoes in (real) winter. Warm socks don't help if the soles are thin.
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car, they are not totally out of fashion in SZ. And this is ina housing estate where people drive the most expensive models of the most expensive cars around!
cold or not they still use them.
i too keep a heater on min in baby's room. he sleeeps soooooo much better. and i get to make bread as well by letting dough raise in his room!
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