Posted by
DaHKGKid
16 yrs ago
Hello All,
I am relocating this summer just short of my permanent residence by about 8 months. While I can probably get something in place to extend my current visa it will take quite a bit of work.
With the obvious value of taxation here in HK and continuing to run a HK registered business, what are the key points of having this perm. residence from 2010 going forward?
All of those I know that have left WITH permanent residence status have found no value in it!
Look forward to all your opinions and not just the ease of getting through customs at the airport please!
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cd
16 yrs ago
but you would still have to come back to HK once every 3 years to keep it. We find it doesn't make any difference, we got it because it finally meant we could claim the tax benefit of having a disabled dependant and the disability allowance. I don't think it matters if you're a permanent resident, you could be here 30 years but you'll never really 'belong' you'll always be classed as an expat.
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dadda - you are also incorrect, or should I say partly right.
Once you are given PR you are also given right of abode. If you leave HK and do not return within 36 months you lose ROA and are given right to land. This means you are able to come back and live and work anytime but cannot vote and can also be deported for any serious criminal offense - 2 things that are different to ROA.
Where this 3 year thing started? Right here with immigration: http://www.immd.gov.hk/ehtml/faq_roaihksar.htm
View Q4 / A4
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Does anyone know what the deal is with the 3 stars on HKID? I have been told that it that it signifies Chinese ethnicity (which seems racist to me) but does it also give additional or different rights?
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FKKC
16 yrs ago
Hey smallfry - what about BNO?
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Well, it's not strictly about ethnicity..for example a CBC with Canadian passport only, while clearly of Chinese ethnicity, would still require a visa to enter China...it's about CITIZENSHIP, just ask Alan Zeman, a Jewish Canadian and long-time HK Resident who recently renounced his Canadian citizenship to gain Chinese citizenship...will never be ethnically Chinese but has the CITIZENSHIP required to enter at will.
Huggy, are you saying your friends WITH a PRC Passport still need a visa to enter China? That's news to me...
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Huggy lost his name -I don't know why??- I have emailed Ed to find out.(site chucked a mental and Huggy was thrown out with the empty molson bottles) :-)
Huggy's alter ego 'Frogman' is answering your post 'funbobby' - you are quite right and I have forgotten to add citizen, - as in, Chinese citizen.
No, funbobby they do NOT need a visa to enter the mainland. It is just me and other 'gweilo'/'gweipor' who have to do that.
edited to add - I think it is worth it to have a permanent ID card and as you only have 8 months to go - I would go for it - who knows where you will be in the future and HK really is a fab place!
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Klee
16 yrs ago
I got my PR about a year ago and didn't see any benefit until the other day when one of my mates said you are now eligible for a tax refund for training courses. 80% of the course with prescribed vendors up to HK$10k!
Check it out: http://www.sfaa.gov.hk/cef/eligibility.htm
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Hi DaHKGKid,
I think the PR application procedure requires you to evidence having resided in HK for more than a 7 year period. I'm not sure if this period must be contiguos, meaning you can leave now and if you return, you can use the 6.xx years as evidence for your PR application after staying a further 8 months.
Maybe worth checking it out with the IMMD, give them something to do...
Hi Smallfry, yes, of course it's racist, this is Hong Kong you know, one of the most racist places on earth. Want a job in Government, Police, wanta BNO Passport (jeesh, no idea why you'd want that) but unless you're ethnically Chinese, you are not acceptable. This is just the normal legal racism promoted by the Hong Kong Government, there is much, much more racism at deeper levels in this society....It is actually nauseating to see, but is a constant and regulr occurrence.
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To those who think not having 3 stars on their ID card or not being able to travel to China without a visa is racist, you may need to travel a lot more and learn. There are many western countries that do not allow BNO or Chinese passport holders visa free access but allow other western countries to enter visa free. These western countries base entry on ethnicity - don't see many people complain about this - but they still bash China. Strange isn't it, I wonder who is the real racist??
If you want some stars, like in kindergarten, just head on down to Commercial Press.
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Agreed with dadda, this is hardly a racist thing and the issue of HK being an SAR has to be taken into consideration. REMEMBER - not all HK born Chinese are actually allowed to travel into China. All that is asked of PR holding foreign passport is that you get a visa for your foreign passport OR you renounce your nationality and apply for a HKSAR passport. What is actually racist about that? You have a choice. As with many others here my wife and kids are HK born Chinese with HKSAR passport and home return permits. I cannot get one as I hold foreign nationality, accepted as fact.
As dadda noted, all mainland citizens need a permit to travel to HK and are not able to travel freely to HK. So not all Chinese in HK can travel to China, mainlanders need a permit to come here and people on this thread are saying it's racist because they can't travel freely to China? Doesn't add up people!
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Hello All, thanks for the feedback.
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huggy, we can travel freely between HK and Macau BECAUSE they are both SARs...the 'S' meaning "Special", meaning 'special' imm. rules apply...just as you can't AFAIK travel from Macau to Zhuhai without a visa (correct me if I'm wrong)...
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cd
16 yrs ago
But why can non Chinese people who are born in HK and brought up here, not have a HK passport.
My kids where born here but because they're 'western' they'll never really belong even if they're here 50 years.
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China doesn't allow dual nationality (Island Hopper is this okay?). China does allow non Chinese, a passport - Mr Mike Rowse is an easy example.You must renounce other existing nationalities.You can't have both nationalities, you must choose. China is not the only country that stipulates this requirement.
Follow the link for the process
http://www.hongkongvisas.com/hongkong/page87.php
Your children don't have to wait 50 years, the process, in this article, took 8 months.
But back the original question, having PR is worth having
1) Easy for employers to employ you - they don't have to sponsor you nor even mention they are employing you when they want to employ another employee who does not hold PR.
2) You don't have to visit Wanchai every 2 years.
3) You can serve the city by being on the jury list
4) You can vote in local council elections
5) More tax benefits
6) A sense of belonging to a city that has entertained, served, fed and housed you for the previous 7 years.
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technically, we should say China doesn't RECOGNIZE dual nationality (or citizenship)...that doesn't mean someone born in HK to a Chinese+other couple can't get dual passports for their child (we are in fact)...but China will treat that second passport as a travel document only, NOT proof of citizenship (by their rules you are Chinese and nothing else if you carry a HK/PRC passport )
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Bob the Builder either has a poor command of English or a very selective means of understanding the facts.
The three stars on ID cards is based upon ethnicity. In other words, as an ethnically Indian person born and raised in HK, with three generations before you in HK, you cannot get the three stars and will be treated differently. The Immigration Ordinance expressly mentions being of "Chinese Descent". The HK Basic Law stipulates that certain government positions may only be filled by persons of "Chinese ethnicity". The ethnic Indian, with three generations' histoery in HK, may not apply. If that is n't racist, what is?
Yes, racism exists everywhere, for sure. But legislated racisim is a different matter. Sorry, the President of the US must be ethnically white. How would that look.
I suppose one difference between East and West is that racism in the East is not a taboo but rather a purely acceptable part of life. Let's see Japan's immigration policy. How many non-ethnic Koreans can become Korean? Yes, the West has its share of racists and biggots. However, such persons are looked down upon with contempt. The laws apply equally to all ethnic groups. Try walking down any street in London and look at the mix. I wouldn't say the same for Seoul, Tokyo or Beijing.....
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Carldunne, perhaps you are correct but to help you understand more about 3 stars, please follow this link http://www.hongkongvisas.com/hongkong/page87.php
Please read points number 4 and 5 - to help you, see below if you choose not follow links.
4. Once the documents under items 1, 2 & 3 are secured, apply for 3 Star Hong Kong Permanent Identity Card and a HKSAR Passport
5. After securing the 3 Star PHKID & HKSAR Passport apply for Re-entry Visit Permit from the Mainland Authorities.
So, if you are so worried about being treated differently then follow the process in this link and apply for 3 gold stars or maybe even a happy face sticker.
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in your link, the paragraphs above the 5 step process DO point out more criteria needed to be met, and that only a handful of non-ethnic Chinese SO FAR have been granted SAR passports...so while technically it may now be possible, it's cerainly not cut and dried as the 5 steps suggest
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lace
16 yrs ago
huggy
When you need to travel frequently you can - as a permanent Hong Kong Resident - apply for an APEC card. It costs HK$ 429.-, is valid for 3 years and gives you visa free access to a number of countries - including China.
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lace
16 yrs ago
huggy
That proposal one year ago unfortunately got nowhere - I had my hopes up for it back then :(
I need to travel to china at least once a week on business trips, so I was happy to settle for the APEC card.
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lace
16 yrs ago
Must have been the Ritan Park area, back in the early 90-ties there was a Russian Market just next to the park... The stuff was then transported back to Russia as luggage on the Trans-Sib, until they reduced the luggage allowance down to 20kg... I actually have very fond memories of living in Beijing in the very early nineties - it was a bit like a very large sleepy village :)
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its not worth getting the perm resd status in Hong Kong
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