Posted by
xwoman
17 yrs ago
With all the money MTR has they manage to upset almost everyone using the train between Hung Hom & T.S.T. East, first day at work in the morning no idea where to change to T.S.T. East, after work rush hour had to change train in Hung Hom and what a mess with all the people rush into the train and I can see the poor people trying to get out to change train to T.S.T. East.
How does anyone feel about the new change with the MTR now ! The newspaper said it was a total success (what a load of crap)
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It is one of the most stupid decisions the MTR has ever made. Why on gods earth they decided to make Hung Hom an interchange station I never know.
This was a discussion many of us had over our beer last night with everyone who had tried the new routing saying how bad it was. One person who changed at Hung Hom and had to wait 12 minutes for the next train but couldn't get on as the station was so packed. So a 24 minute wait! Diabolical. Another, who has been working on MTR lines and stations for the last 20 years, stated he himself could not understand why the interchange was at Hung Hom and not TST East. One thing all these people had in common was that they were never going to use that routing again despite using the rail for years.
It seems crazy that MTR has a huge station at TST and it is already an interchange. The original plan was that the West Rail would terminate there - according to the guy stated above. It seems some commercial collusion has gone on somewhere along the line to change this to Hung Hom. How anyone can believe that people used to a 12 carriage train with 1 - 2 minute intervals at peak hours can then somehow be jammed onto a 7 carriage train running every 6 - 12 minutes actually works. As someone was loudly stating last night who at the MTR or Government is ultimately responsible for this absolute abortion? I'm sure they wont want to poke their head out of the sand but someone must stand up and tell us all why they made this ultimate c*ck up. It's crap, I may have to move my main head office because of it.
On another note the Government recently has been making waves about roadside pollution and the rationalisation of bus routes. However the bus riding population will rise due to this ultimate stupidity and may even result in expanding bus routes. Good one MTR. Good one HK Government. Always a comfort to know we can rely on you...........
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I doubt it. TST is built, and was built for this, Hung Hom isn't. There isn't even enough space on the platforms. Unless they make radical changes to Hung Hom then this is without doubt one of the worst decisions the MTR has made. Not one person I've spoken too who has experienced this change has anything good to say about it, even those who have more experience than MTR with building these things!
Added to that the absolute lack of consultation with the public - most people only learned of the changes last week. Mainlanders were wondering where TST had gone! There is a business group now consulting in TST about moving their business because of this change and taking MTR to court for the expenses to do this. Should cost MTR a few billion!
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190k
17 yrs ago
I live in Yuen Long and use the west rail I like it.
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Did you heard about from people from Tuen Mun to T.S.T. East cost even on the MTR and less if travel by the bus and worse the free bus now cost $4.00 to travel on it.
From T.S.T.East to Austin station cost $6.00 and T.S.T.East to Nam Cheong station cost $5.00 !!!!!!! someone should try the MTR website and tell me has MTR gone MAD or some MAD person who happens to loss all the money to the stock market are using this way to rip people off.
For the poeple from Tuen Mun or Yuen Long I am happy for you guy and I just want to point out that it's the people who build this stupid way of interchange in Hung Hom to blame for this stupid interchange that's all.
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It is crazy, and even more crazy that the majority suffer for the minority. Pure stupidity. I'm glad the 6 or 7 people traveling all the way to Hung Hom from Tuen Mun, Tin Shui Wai and Yuen Long are happy now. May as well scrap the East Rail now.
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I am amazed by the negativity, anger and incorrect information being posted by some people here.
Lets clarify a few points:
The MTR only took over the KCR less than 2 years ago - This project was already in its final stages by then as a KCR project which had started many years ago - it takes several years to construct a railway extension - including the planning stages 6 - 8 years minimum.
Also there is no way this just happened last week with no advanced publicity - it has been widely publicized in stations, news media and on TV etc, but as with anything new or different in Hong Kong it takes getting use to and people here do love to have something to complain about!
I have used the extension twice in both directions and both times found it easy to follow and had no problem in the peak period on Monday morning making the very simple change - in fact many people who previously had to use East Tsim Sha station but who worked in the Canton Road area were thrilled to be so much closer to work by using Austin Station.
Why don't we just wait and see how people feel in a months time once they are familiar with the process rather than just venting after only 24 hours of operation - after all anything new takes time to get use to!
Finally the last comment by evildeeds which states "may as well scrap the East Rail now" does seem particularly off the mark - are you really suggesting it was better as the old KCR run line, rather than seeing the improvements that have been made to the stations, trains and most importantly standard of service and improvement in the network as whole that have taken place since the MTR took over?
Personally I think the MTR has done an excellent job
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MJ1
17 yrs ago
Extracted from an article in The Standard yesterday.
"It is now also cheaper to travel monthly from Tin Shui Wai to Hung Hom as the monthly bus fare comes to HK$726, against the HK$470 monthly MTR fare from Tuen Mun to Hung Hom.
Taking the MTR also shaves 10 minutes off travel time, commuters said."
I've tried the service, there is plenty of room at Hung Hom station for passengers interchanging and everything went pretty smoothly.
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eddie55 - and you say a bunch of nonsense because you know? Or more correctly you don't know? You are a businessman in TST then I presume?
maryland - can you list improvements made since the MTR took over the KCR? Apart from removing the barriers at stations I cannot think of any. You also say the change was widely publicized. If that was indeed the case then everyone would know wouldn't they! For a start my local station only put up notices LAST WEEK! And there has been no consultation previously with local business. Certainly a comment way off the mark.
It's a crap change - and as someone who uses these lines more than most - several times a day in fact, sometimes up to China, it wastes far too much time. Time I do not have to give.
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The change is horrible. It adds on average 6 minutes to the commute. All spent on waiting on the overcrowded platform without any air conditioning. Then you have the uncivilised selfish Hung Hom crowd that rushes in madly to grab a seat before the elderly and needy can, not allowing people to alight first.
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Evildeeds - I am still am at a loss to understand the basis of your rants as they seem to change from post to post as people calmly respond to what you have said
All I would reply to you is this
1. Firstly be sure of your facts before you post (some of the things you state as fact have been shown to be anything but). Your latest comment about no information in stations is not correct as I have seen such information in every station I have been to - stations on East Rail Line and West Rail Line have been displaying notices about this change for about a month prior to it happening (different notices for different stages: the first giving pre opening info, the second announcing the date and then notices re the actual opening. Each on of them carried a slogan about the change and saying that East Tsim Sha Tsui would be on the West Rail Line after the interchange was changed to Hung Hom)
I also think your posts just serve to highlight the very valid point made by eddie55 - The skill of reading is a requisite for travel - in any transport system!
2. Your contention that no businesses were consulted in this process is pure conjecture - based solely on the fact that you and your friends business were not consulted!
Enough said - hope the journey is less stressful for you now that you have had time to get use to the change!
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maryland - you are obviously an employee of MTR and so far you have proved nothing from my own posts. So you have clearly been to every MTR station on the East Rail and used every exit. That is very impressive.
Now the simple statement this was not in all stations stands. Prove me wrong. As I said, and I'm with you on the reading part now, my local station posted this last week on a small poster no more than 24 inches by 12. What part of that you do not understand is beyond me.
At TST East they were finally giving out leaflets. Last week. Not weeks before or even months before. Last week. The first I saw of it was the news last week. Others I spoke with this week said they had no idea until they were told by others last week. So it's pretty universal. Want to make it known, make it big, loud and proud. People are flying in and out of MTR stations and unless it's something eye catching it wont be noticed. Nothing to do with reading, everything to do with bad advertising and PR.
Now on Monday morning I walked straight from my carriage across to where the next train was to depart - in 12 MINUTES! But the platform was so packed with others who had no idea, and a huge amount of mainlanders who also had no idea, that not everyone was able to get on the next train. Not sure what you do not understand about that either. Now that is efficiency at it's best hey! Good old MTR!
And yes businesses were not consulted. We had no idea of the changes either, a straw poll in the office shows pretty much everyone was clueless. I am a member of local business organisations which covers over 1000 businesses in TST. So not just me and a few friends. Again pretty universal.
And yes the journey is still useless, I'm wasting over an hour a day because of this and no I will not get used to it.
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Despite the leaflets I NEVER understood that Hung Hom would become the terminus of the East Railline. I wrongly thought that the MTR Corp had just extended the West Railline to Hung Hom. And by the looks of it on Monday, I was not the only commuter who was clueless about the changes. It was handled disgracefully.
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Seems like West Rail advertised it well. East Rail did not. I also live in the NT but not west. After writing this last night I went through my local station to double check, and yes just one sign that went up last week which you cannot read if you enter where I do. Nothing else in the station and nothing on the other exit.
Anyway the problem is now solved, I'm back in the car and we are now in negotiation for 5 spaces for my senior management as well. So not an issue anymore!
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to eddie55 your comment :
I am from Tuen Mun and just love the new train. Confusion was only as the most passengers this morning are just a bunch of idiots. It was reallyt not difficult to find the right way, of clourse the knowledge of reading is required.
Try and tell that to a blind person! and worse MTR didn't even think for 1 min what to do with the disable people trying to change trains during rush hour ! I love to see the top mangement from MTR come and see the chaos during the rush hour ?
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