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Ed
13 yrs ago
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/commentary/hong-kong-world-city-or-racist/477156
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M5
13 yrs ago
I haven't yet read the article (don't need to) but can answer the original question without hesitation:
Yes, Hong Kong aspires to be a "world city" and Hong Kong most certainly is a racist city in every way imaginable. Unfortunately, the latter aspect lessens the fulfillment of the former ambition.
Those who deny the gross injustice and blatant scorn directed at certain populations are either naive or themselves the perpetrators. Fortunately, the hate only makes those subjected to it much stronger, more focused and aware of those who seek to keep them perpetually in servitude. Their time will come :-]
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Racism and discrimination exist everywhere to some degree or another, and Hong Kong is no exception. The government does try to project a more impartial image however due largely to ignorance and stupidity, the veil often drops and the ugly face is revealed, however this also reveals the true intention. In terms of the article referred to (which I have briefly scanned) it merely exposes the typical attitude of most immigration authorities world over, but mostly related to first world economies, which is a holier than thou, "what do you want in our country?" attitude which seems specifically evident in Australia and the UK, if you are not of WASP origin.
The next big obstacle that needs to be tackled is that of the HKSAR passport, which is reserved for members of Chinese ethnicity only I understand (although I stand to be corrected on this). It would be interesting to see this one challenged in the courts.
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jk47
13 yrs ago
Being someone who was considered a foreigner in the UK where I was born, and also a foreigner here in Hong Kong, I would have to say Hong Kong is much better.
In the UK, people pretend to be tolerant and there are laws needed to stop people saying what is really on their mind, it has changed from the 60's and 70's when racism was overt to now when it is covert. Asian women are loved and coveted, while Asian men hated and derided, this can be seen by the contrasting portrayal of these two sexes on TV. Asian women - always attractive, slim, on the arm of some white man, Asian men - comedic, wimpy, geeky, gay.
Of course the majority of people posting here are white, and will shout high above on their pedestal regarding how bad Hong Kong is and all the injustices they have faced while living here, while texting their asian slapper and tucking into their noodles.
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Tune
13 yrs ago
[j]k47's rant is a sad portrayal of a person with issues, spurious or not. Alas, it is therefore no wonder that jk47 belongs to a minority of people who feel 'hated and derided'. May I also add inferior to the pot?
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Agree 100% with jk47. Covert racism is rife in the UK and much much worse than here in the UK.
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Tune
13 yrs ago
Ha! If this is the case boddington, I'm so glad that I'm a cone from Norfolk.
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lalib
13 yrs ago
"The next big obstacle that needs to be tackled is that of the HKSAR passport, which is reserved for members of Chinese ethnicity only I understand (although I stand to be corrected on this). It would be interesting to see this one challenged in the courts"
Any of us expats who are Permanent Residents can obtain a HK Passport, through Naturalization but we will have to give up our current nationality.
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'but we will have to give up our current nationality'...
and inheritance tax of course. Thought there might be a catch.
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Lalib, I am not so sure that is the case, again I speak under correction, but how come HKSAR indigenous nationals may hold dual nationality then? Although now that you mention it, I know that the ex HK govt. employee clown (involved in the Harbour Fest Fiasco) did something like that and maybe Alan Zeman has as well.
It still needs to be challenged if it involves revoking ones original nationality, unless dual nationality by locals is no longer permitted.
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In earlier days of Hong Kong discrimination was all over the place. Only Caucasians could get top government posts! Local Chinese would not even dream about reaching pinnacle status. But times have changed. Ethnic Chinese have worked hard, went to school, paid their dues and now are being called racist. Why? Because they like to protect the interests of the majority? Every country has immigration laws. What makes HK more racist, if that is even the right word to call it? Does anyone know how many Canadians get rejected from entering the U.S. for no real just cause! Is that racism too?
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lalib
13 yrs ago
Whitemischief,
I myself have been granted HK Nationality just waiting for the formalities to renounce my current nationality and need to show proof of that to HK Immigration.
If your a born Chinese National you can hold dual nationality, if u Naturalized Chinese Citizen you must give up your current nationality.
As for my country of Birth, I will apply to become a Permanent Resident on the basis that I was a former national and will have the same rights as we Permanent Residents have in HK. So its basically a switch in my case and I want the convenience of visa free travel with a HK passport.
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Fixer
13 yrs ago
Here we go again, HK racist!
UK is both covertly and overtly far more racist. Where in HK do you hear abuse shouted openly at people of different ethnicity in public? I'll admit HK has it's share of racism; I see helpers get treated differently in shops, but not told upfront to "go back to your own country" as I've been told in the UK.
As for KL being ethnically integrated -don't make me laugh! The Malay government is systematically racist.
Just because a country protects it's immigration policy, it's seen as being racist. Well I am sure if the USA had a less racist policy towards it's immigration policy, there'd be a Latino president instead of Obama.
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FKKC
13 yrs ago
My British friend lost most of his friends when he returned to UK in the 60's with his wife who is half Chinese and half Portuguese. They planned to settle down in his home-town and to raise a family but he got so tired of standing up for his wife socially that they decided to come back to HK where it was less stressful.
The brush-offs in UK were unbearable.
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Fixer
13 yrs ago
Yes, the is a lot of ingrained societal racism which is not reported but taken as is.
The Chinese had it bad, the Indians, the Pakistanis, the Poles etc. etc. Ignorant bast**ds couldn't how piss poor, culturally and economically, their Great British land would be without foreign intervention.
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I welcome the writer of that article to see the treatment of non anglo-saxon tourists at some of Australia's airports. Passing through immigration is akin to a form of interrogation in comparison to the welcoming treatment given at HK airport.
I can already hear the comments coming that "only darker skinned people are discriminated against". Well the reality is that it is perhaps true, but this is not an isolated problem in HK, but rather a global problem.
I also agree with some of the other posts that there is an ingrained form of racism in anglo-saxon countries which seems to be tolerated. To give one example of this, it is not uncomon in Australia to hear comments such as "he was Indian... but he was nice".
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Fixer
13 yrs ago
@Madtown:
I was merely implying -in a hypothetical situation- that the US should be less "racist" and allow all the Latinos in and therefore you'd have a Latino president by now.
And do you think the FDH get a raw deal here compared to say Singapore or your idea of a Asia's World city?
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FKKC
13 yrs ago
Quote from madtown: However, if you could really get inside the minds of most locals here, I think you would feel differently....madtown, you are really mad!!! You seemed to have a very "heavy" chip on your shoulder regarding HK and it's people! Why are you still here?
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Fixer
13 yrs ago
Madtown, "There is a very real sense of superiority some chinese feel over the darker skinner asians." Was the same pre 1997, except the Chinese were whites and 'darker skinner asians' were the Chinese.
Oh, and Obama won because he was the best candidate for the job and the US is still far more racist than HK will ever be. I doubt HK will ever tolerate white supremacist rallies or that should be in our case Chinese supremacist rallies -(H)KKK.
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hkislandxo, in other words, you are blaming certain races residing in HK for all the city's problems?
What do you think would happen to HK if all the mainlanders, all the filipinos, indonesians, south east asians etc left Hong Kong? Say what you want, but HK would not be the successful country it is today without other races.
Madtown, you get racism everywhere, not just Hong Kong. It doesn't matter whether it is inward or outward, it is still racism. Okay, I accept that the US has made great strides - the best example is Obama. But so has Hong Kong - easier travel by the mainlanders, residency rights by filipinos etc. Also far from perfect, but aren't these "improvements" as well?
Let's not point fingers and let's not generalise. Instead let's take the lead by showing others how accepting we are of ALL races no matter where we are in the world.
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Fixer
13 yrs ago
And you don't equate white supremacists with racism? Shows what high morals you hold.
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Ed
13 yrs ago
Actually not really...
HK was a total backwater for over a century... it only became a significant city when China turned communist and closed all foreign ports... the wealthy Shanghainese shifted to HK along with their cash and trading acumen making HK what it is today - the leading trading entrepot of the world...
Of course British rule of law contributed to making HK a leading financial centre...
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Ed is totally acurate in terms of history.
I also agree with madtown's comments of there being racism against other SE Asians in HK. I am Pakistani/English but have a few Pakistani friends who get treated appallingly when they are out and about. I have never had such problems but think that is because noone believes me to be Pakistani!
I definately do not think of HK as a world city, this would have to go to London as every ethnicity is represented. London however, is most definately racist. I travel a lot and have yet to come across a place where I or those I'm with have not experienced some form of racism.
Sad fact of the world we live in today:(
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As i said in my earlier post.. this is a global problem, not an isolated problem in HK.
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Ed, quite rubbish article...
First - Just because the Immigration officers screwed up this case, automatically Hong Kong is a racist city. Their (Immigrations) failure in resolving this issue in a sensitive manner reflects their incompetence, not racism.
If the people on this thread were around 5+ years ago, you would remember a case of a mentally handicapped HK boy being able to cross into Shenzhen without an adult accompanying him. If I remember correctly, the child was never found. So in this case, because the officers screwed up, should we label Hong Kong as a "FILL IN THE BLANK" city?
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Second - Quote from bottom of article- "The most virulent discrimination visited on any group by Hong Kong society is on mainland immigrants in housing, schools, hospitals, employment and through exclusion from social interaction.
By excluding new mainland immigrants from anti-discrimination protection, the Hong Kong government allows the continuation of such uncivil treatment. It defeats the intent of the law. It makes a mockery of calls for “patriotic” education by sycophantic politicians. And the logic for the administration exempting itself from the law is to prevent “frivolous claims” for compensation from minorities seeking to “make money” by suing the government for alleged discrimination.
All of which sums up the lackadaisical attitude of the administration about ethnic and social discrimination in Asia’s “World City.”
Asia Sentinel
Cyril Pereira is a former director of operations at the South China Morning Post."
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This "former director of operations at the South China Morning Post", perhaps he has more than a few bridges to burn in HK cause certainly his reporting is biased.
quote - "The most virulent discrimination visited on any group by Hong Kong society is on mainland immigrants in housing, schools, hospitals, employment and through exclusion from social interaction. "
HOUSING - been around a few housing estates lately and there seems to be quite a number of mainlanders there. check.
SCHOOLS - been standing in line at McDonalds during lunch hour in Tsuen Wan with a bunch of school kids in front of me, and 1/4 to 1/2 of them speak mandarin. so discrimination in schools, ah dont think so. check.
HOSPITAL - dont think Cyril Pereira has been to a NT or northern Kowloon hospital lately. Perhaps he/she can not tell the difference between mandarin and cantonese. check.
EMPLOYMENT - Last I noticed, lots of the low paying jobs such as in the fast food industry went to people with non-HK accents. Now if the author is saying that there are still lots of mainlander/new immigrants who are not working because they can't find jobs then I would like to hear what he/she has to say about how to improve the job market in HK.
Maybe we should have a massive stimulus in HK, give away our taxpayers money, & let anybody in cause they have needs.
PS - Cyril come back to HK, I'll take you around and you'll probably retract 90% of your article.
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Ed
13 yrs ago
I've got a theory about just about everything... here's my take on why racism is so embedded around the world...
I do not believe racism is an inherent state of man... studies have demonstrated that young children show no evidence of racist tendencies...
So it is taught by society and parents...
If it is taught then surely it could be untaught.
When I was a kid it was not frowned upon to throw garbage out a car window or onto the ground in a park area (see the Madmen episode - they finish up a picnic and fire beer cans, napkins, paper plates etc into the bush).
Kids were eventually taught not to do this and most of the new generation would never do such a thing - as a parent you wouldn't dare not blue box something these days because the kids will be all over you...
So things can be untaught.
Why do we not unteach racism? Why do we not have intensive teacher training and curriculum - public service messages etc.. in pursuit of a non-racist society?
IMHO - the state wants and needs racism. Because without it, convincing people to go to war is a far more difficult task.
The state sponsored propaganda machine of war cranks up derogatory names and stories about the enemy ... recall the first Gulf War... the Iraqi's were accused of killing babies ...a complete fabrication that elicits racism and hatred...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR_Doex_Qj0
http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html
So ultimately governments embrace racism and have absolutely no desire to wipe it out.
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Not too sure it is a government conspiracy. I can only think of one country that enjoys going to war anywhere in the world for almost any reason (and have lost or withdrawn from most of them). So, then it would be only this country's government that would benefit from being racist.
Back to racism, I agree with you that children are not born racist. However, I think children/adults are wary of anyone who is different to themselves. I think this is the reason why children face such large peer pressure - they have to fit in, join the crowd or face expulsion from the group - a form of racism (not really related to race but you get the idea).
If we can teach acceptance and tolerance of being different then racism will/could disappear.
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Ed
13 yrs ago
Madtown.... I think you are restating what I have already said no?
Yes racism is about ignorance... just as tossing trash out the window is about ignorance.
I believe that if the education in a country - and more importantly - the all powerful media - were to be forced by the government to defeat the ignorance of racism... we'd see an enormous decline in racism within one or two generations...
As for America - it is far from being a racially tolerant country... There are still a lot of people hiding under rocks who would like to see Mr Obama hung from a tree...
The racism card gets trotted out very quickly when it's time for war - remember what Ali said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/gallery?id=3487978&index=4
That is subversive and it undermines the main government PR messages that rely on racism to KILL KILL KILL!!!
Tough to get people to kill a stranger unless you can convince the public that the enemy is inferior and despicable...
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Bob the builder, i absolutely get what you are saying. If you are differnt and dont conform, you will be left on the outside. So to a certain extent racism stems from diversity and non conformity.
The state government being a reson why racism is not untaught? Probably, and one could also add that oftne the state is responsible for casting such a negative image of itself to other cultures that it creates racist feelings.
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Ed, I can also remember another very disliked (by some) and undermining governement PR message by Ali:
"no Viet Cong ever called me a nigger"..
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That pretty much says it all...
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mayo
13 yrs ago
I am an Australian of filipina heritage. My husband is a pale skinned Brit and we have one child who looks me like and two that look like their father. While living in HK my more swarthy child and I have had our right to swim in swimming pools questioned more than once, while my husband and other two children never have had the same problem. A security guard in my building once accused me of taking my "madam's" clothing and it is often assumed: by both HKers and expats alike, I was at one point my husbands FDH. At the same time I remember several insults thrown at me while living in Sydney during One Nation's rise to prominence. I believe most cities have people with racist and or ignorant beliefs living in them. I believe racism and ignorance are two different beasts one more dangerous than the other. It's important to recognise the difference.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States
Mayo, thanks for bringing up One Nation (and Pauline Hanson)... another reminder of racism in the west. And i agree with you that unfortunately you will find racism everywhere.... and certainly not more so in HK.
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FKKC
13 yrs ago
Thanks for the site regarding 'racism_in_the_United_States' provided by rob_378.
Facts so clearly written....only hypocrites continue to debate and step down on other places with the word discrimination to hide their dirty linen?...They even try to steal history from some countries to make their country looks great, what a laugh!!!
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15 years ago my friend told me that they changed the policy in the dining room of the jockey club ( which one cant remember, prob shatin) that no domestic helpers were allowed in the dining area. The reason was because an expat member's new wife, a former DH, kept bumping into her old DH friends and it made her uncomfortable. So the solution was to blacklist all the DHs from the dining area.
if this story was true, then thats just a case of someone moving up the ladder and not wanting any former wrinkles to show.
Also was recently a guest in a members club and noticed that DHs were not allowed in the pool area, so the DHs congragated to a certain area of the club. Let me tell you the proportion of type of people by the pool. Over 3/4 was white caucasians. some japanese, some darker skinned people probably indians, the rest hong kong chinese. Now who the helpers employers were, i cant be sure. But if this is an example of racism in HK, it certainly wasnt taken part only by chinese people. The expats hands were in the cookie jar as well.
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I agree with Boston Bob re: hkisland's first post showing how racism exists in Hong Kong. Some comments:
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"HK is a not racist city where is for those different races' GOOD people; however, there are some races' people are really bad in HK.
They think that they can live in HK then they can do anything bad when they can leave HK ? You go to look at the maids in Central, I supposed that they are clean at the bosses' homes but you will see if you go there.
What do you suppose to do if you go to TST and you see those Indians at that bad (lotsa crimes) building there ? If you go to central London then you see what indians do there. :).."
"..... If you go to ZA then you see black people killing white people for their properties. If you go to India, it is smelly but they thought it smells good. You'd better judge."
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Do you know what racism is, hkisland?
From Wiki: "Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination. .. It ... is often justified by recourse to racial stereotyping or pseudo-science."
To me, making sweeping negative generalisations about people of certain race, based often on just a few examples, which imply that your race is superior, is racist.
Your above post implies that all Philippinos are dirty, all Indians are criminals and are smelly, black people are prone to killing white people. I think this is the type of racist views that a number of HKers - not all, but not a negligible number - have, who incidentally pass them onto their children so that they become perpetrated. I am of Chinese origin - I can understand Cantonese and have witnessed these attitudes.
You don't seem to acknowledge that people of all races can potentially be and are good, intelligent people. So you can cite some Indian criminals. I can also refer you to Indian bankers, lawyers and doctors, etc. How do you think your views and resulting actions may impact and hurt the many people of the races you mentioned?
As someone who has mainly lived in a Western country, I have also witnessed racism against Asians and other races. How would you feel, for example, about people making sweeping generalisations about Chinese people being rude, dirty (and what how smelly tofu and durian.. they could well call the Chinese smelly too, unfairly!), etc. I have seen some expats complain noisily about HKers cutting their toenails, for example, on the MTR. But this is an example of an isolated example can blow things out of proportion.
Despite being born in Australia and English being my native language, as a child a few times I was shouted at by strangers to "go home". There was covert racism decades back and things have changed immensely since then (I believe many parts of Oz are very multicultural), but I agree that people in cities around the world exhibit racism to a certain degree - HK being no exception.
That said, I also agree with WKT's recent post about Hong Kong being a great international city. Although the vast majority of the population is ethnic Chinese, from a working perspective and in terms of expats settling in etc, what I can see is many people of different nationalities come to live and work here peaceably.
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Interesting article, BB - thanks for posting.
I would not go as far as to call HK a racist city, because as mentioned before, I believe it is an international one - but at the same time, I think that number of HK locals do have racist attitudes and that hkislandxo, you have expressed views that are racist.
Some of the examples in the article:
"An Indian man was unable to rent a luxury flat during the economic downturn because of his ethnicity, although his company offered to pay the landlord above market value."
"A young, professional Filipina woman was ignored in shops and treated badly by the security staff of her building."
HKislandxo, do you think such treatment is fair? Do you think people of other races are less human than you are?
It is not fair that people should be discriminated against because of their race.
HKislandxo, I am guessing that you may have not lived overseas? Many Chinese people have experienced racism overseas because of the type of ignorance and stereotyping that exists among some locals here against other races.
Chinese people have been discriminated against in Western countries in the jobhunting, flathunting process and on the streets in the past, particularly when immigration was in its early stages, because, for example, they may have lived in ethnic areas, where local Westerners may not have liked the unusual smells of their cooking and incense - just like Chinese people may be so put off by the smell of Indian food - different cultures simply have different foods and customs. Try to imagine Chinese immigrants living overseas where some locals may treat them differently and unfairly, and maybe you can sympathise more with other races here?
As others have pointed out, racism has existed to a certain extent around the world, and I think to deny that it exists in HK is wrong.
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Boston Bob, interesting article from perhaps an unbiased source. IMHO Im not sure if it gives a true reflection of racism in HK though, as it seems that the comments are select feedback, which does not give a true indication of the percentages of the population who feel they have experienced racism in HK.
Also, im not sure how intolorence equates to racism when the intolerance in question is toward anti social behaviour, such as spitting. Isnt this a valid point? And is this not a comment about behaviour? Or is it the generalisation made that makes this racism?
Sometimes generalisations are made justly without any malicious intent. For instance one could say that mainlanders often bump people while walking.. true not all do, but certainly it happens a lot, and its a trait that westerners or hong kongers dont have. Then would this make that a racist comment, or simply an observation? Furthermore if the generalization is a positive one (which again wont apply to all), then why is that acceptable? Do we live in such a cotton wool society that we can only point out postiive traits?
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Ed, Boston Bob is Banned? Eh?
hkisland - are you talking about the article posted by BB? Seems like the article was written by Christine Loh and one of her organisation's researchers. You think this was faked?
As for your comment about boycotting all Indian products and services.. Aiya.. I guess it would take a while to convince you otherwise of your views...
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Ed
13 yrs ago
Yes Boston Bob was banned... Following reports of trolling on various topics, our research team compiled a comprehensive list of comments posted by the suspected troll... this was then presented to our site policing unit on the 28th floor... upon review by this team it was recommended that Boston Bob's dossier be passed along to the Banning Committee on the 17th floor.
After careful deliberation by the Committee and a majority decision to recommend banning the dossier as per protocol was then hand-delivered to the 9th floor which houses our legal department... after further careful analysis by our crack team of in-house lawyers, the notion to ban was upheld... head of legal then personally delivered the final recommendation to the AX HQ which is situated 6 floors underground and encased in bomb hardened concrete and tungsten filament
After presenting access codes, retinal scan etc etc... the 3000 tonne steal door to the control room was opened... I looked up from buzzing lights, screens and other electronica... the head of legal said in a clipped british accent... 'the recommendation suh'... I intently scanned the paper... upon completion, I removed the trigger protector on the Ban Machine... selected Boston Bob... then I summonsed the in-house priest, rabbi, minister and the Dalai Lama's representative... after various prayers, incantations and hemming and hawing... holy water was sprinkled about the room - and after a countdown from 10... I pushed the button firmly and confidently ...
And Boston Bob was dispatched to purgatory... where he shall remain for one week... after which he will be resurrected Christ-like... to join the community again...
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This is a great timelapse short clip of Hong Kong:
http://vimeo.com/31413518
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Fixer
13 yrs ago
Rob, great vid, thanks for sharing!
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Ed - lol
Seriouslys, though, I musta missed something? Obviously, I haven't spent enough time trawling through forums here yet (although lately I've been starting to feel it's the opposite..)
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Anyone who believes the accuracy of the article Boston Bob linked to should seriously give their heads a shake. The site is "Human Rights in China". Guess they wouldn't be doing their job if they had anything good to say about Hong Kong which is a SAR of the Peoples Republic of China. An entertaining read nonetheless.
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"Three black men from Africa were harassed, spat at, called derogatory names referring to their race and threatened with a belt." for no reason at all clearly happens all the time! There is a huge population of East Indians, Pakistanis, etc. that live and work in TST. They don't walk two steps without getting stoned or spat on by racist Chinese.
"A young woman was asked to change her name before she was offered a job as an English teacher so her students would not guess she was Indian." Can you please go to Kowloon Tong and visit many of the well known nursery & primary schools and count how many Indian teachers there are. I guarantee their last names have not been changed.
Is there racism or prejudice? Of course there is as with every other place in the world. Does Hong Kong rank among the worse? Not even close.
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MJ1
13 yrs ago
Western caucasians are looked up to? Are you kidding me? They're given the perception they are looked up to by gold digging women, that's about it...The majority of HK locals don't give a rats a** about Western caucasians.
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MJ1
13 yrs ago
Can't say I agree...like I said before, there's no such differentiation from the locals I know, from my experience, skin colour is irrelevant and definitely has no bearing on the perception of one's intelligence or treatment. Not saying it doesn't happen at all, but if it does, I would think it's the minority and no different to any other city. Maybe westerners in HK have an inherent superiority complex which makes them see things differently.
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I do not know a City (or a community) in the world that is not affected by a cultural group (that is not native to that City or community) of a different skin colour and obvious ethnic difference in appearance . It is human to be interested in "others" . It is human to be "afraid and suspicious" of other , some cultures and religions mainly because of how we are conditioned by news & media as well as our own personal experiences . The world now is terrified by "muslim extremists" and their activities . White people in Beverly Hills are automatically suspicious of a couple of black men in the street . Many cultures who have been oppressed in history are prone to mistreating other cultural groups who they now perceive as their "inferiors". Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe Indian class distinction is almost totally differenciated by dark Indians and light skinned . The fairer the skin in India , the better "class" and station in life . In my culture and country , the thinner and more beautiful you are the more attention , better treatment and social acceptance you receive .....without doubt . Who is responsible for that ? Obese and the ugly are unfairly treated more so than someone of a different skin colour alone ..... However , many posts here "blanket" any injustice or bad behaviour as "racist" I fail to recognise any great difference in so called racist behaviour by people or government in HK than I do aniywhere else in the world .....as I see it .
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FKKC
13 yrs ago
Quote from madtown who claims he's an American: most of my friends in HK are locals, they are the ones who have told me countless stories about racism in HK, they will tell you the same...unquote
I think he should figure out his priority on where he stands and what he actually wants before telling different stories or ranting about racism in all his posts.
Reading from his above post....ha ha ha.... the 10% locals must be his friends in HK, a place he dislikes and complains so much except for the $$$...ha ha ha!!! Sorry, can't help laughing!
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