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ExpatGirl
19 yrs ago
Is it true that men have sex without love? And when ur man flinged around, does this means that he do not loves u anymore?
My man claims that he loves me dearly.. but the temptation outside seems hard to resist.. but he has made it clear to me that anything that he will do in future will only be done out of lust.. nothing on love..I will only be his one and only wife and no women will be able to snatch my position in his heart.
Do u think what he said is acceptable? Is it a natural process for all men to feel this way??
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It sounds like he is trying to have his cake...... and eat it!
It wouldn't make me feel very secure.... I feel for you. It's going to be up to you whether you are prepared to accept that or not.
Good luck! There really are plenty of other men out there!
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I know..i am also in dilemma.. been with him for coming 9 yrs already.. he said his character is such that he will have lust to make out with other women...but his heart is with me (he claims) Many times, i broke down and cry, not knowing what to do..
We will be getting married soon, he say he wanna practise full disclosure..tell me each and every thing abt him that i need to know before signing that love contract of ours.. he said he loves me dearly and wanted to promise me a blissful life forever, he said he wanted to protect me, pamper me and love me till the end of our lives. But the only thing that he cannot promise me is.. his lust thingy...he said he MIGHT or MIGHT NOT..get into such acts in future. But wanna full disclosure to me.. he is very frank indeed, too frank that sometimes i hope for the benefit of doubt!
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Nine years is a long time but that shouldn't stop you doing what will, in the end, make you happy.
Be brave! :)
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Yeah.. been thinking abt it. But whenever we talked abit this sticky issue, we both ended up crying really hard...
There are times i tried to convince myself into accepting his so called "habits" but.. then it can be really hard for me. I am not sure if i leave him, i will ever find any other guy who will treat me as well. He has been my first love and for once i tot my one and only love..
He was never like that..until recently when we are talking abt marriage and serious abt live.. and also friends/peers influence i think. He used to be a goody good guy, always homely with me but then, now he prefers go clubbing and hang out with his friends. Of coz not all the time, he only says he needs time out with his friends at least once a week.
Been to club with him a few times, and was quite shock to see his behavior there.. saw him talking to women and trying to chat them up (when i was there)... i was very very sad.. but i am not determine enough to leave this relationship, 9 yrs.. i tried to sow the seeds and see fruits grow..i thought maybe i should give him some private space, let him to "himself" with his friends.. coz perhaps we have been always in our own world for the past 9 yrs and now is it time to take it slow and have some private space...
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It will be very hard to let go after 9 years, especially if he is first love.
It will be hard for him to let go too.
But I agree with rouge and jimmylee. His attitude towards such behaviour is not good. He is looking for an exit clause.
I belive he will screw around, and he has probably done it on several occassions already, a fact he would probably deny.
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I am sorry to hear about your predicament. A 9 year relationship is hard to let go. I am still trying to get over my relationship which has been dragging on for 9 years.
However, ask yourself as to whether you are able to accept his behaviour. When he is not by your side, your mind will be twirling with queries and worries. Would you want to go through this for the rest of your life?
Ask him if he is able to accept with you turn the situation around.
You have to sit down to think clearly what is acceptable to you and what is not. You rule your own live and you have a say in what is not acceptable. Stand firm.
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Expatgirl, they said it all.
YOU have a LIFE and YOU have a CHOICE. YOU are still young to seek for opportunities.
9 yrs have been enough, do you really want more damage and to live with a man in a denial phase?
A man with lousy excuses to feed his groin?
What are u going to tell your children in the future abt Daddy's kicks?
WHY would you torure yourself?
People can not be changed or lectured....they will change by themselves on their own pace for the good or the bad, unless you're financially dependant on him, or else.....Cut the chase asap and start with a new YOU in 2006!
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As much as i would agree with all of you.. you should also realise it is often easier to be said than done.. I have been tormenting myself with the thought abt he being with another woman...i tried to give up.. i tried to let go but there is nothing my bf has done at this moment that requires me to go.. it is only his frankness and disclosure abt himself that leads to all this dilemma in my mind..it is hard to bear, he knows very well that he shldn't have told me anything abt these coz all his frens scolded him dumbo for being so frank abt life and women will not like to hear abt it.. but my bf wanted me to know each and every part abt him. He wanted to be totally himself in front of me and not to put up any false front..
Sometimes i just wonder.. maybe it is really just lust.. maybe it is just another fantasy that most guys have... for i am the only woman (his first love) till now and he has not tried making out with other women before... whereas most men has already tried and tested so much, perhaps i should not have met him too early..right!
But I was thinking is it true that for most married couples, wife is suppose to keep an eye close abt things her husband does... as long as her husband takes the effort to make her feel happy everyday.. comes back home and bring back to buck.. be a good father, husband.. then the family is complete?? Any flings outside are only spices to his private life that should be left as secret..
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Playing Devil's advocate now.
If he is your first love, you have nothing to compare him with. You may find (likely) that there are much better fish in the ocean. Fish that don't want to wander
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Although I agree with what you wrote but I beg to differ on "women here are so dependent". There would not be advices from women who were stamping "independence" and "firm" if they were so. No doubt sometimes we lose ourselves in the sea of love and it seems that we lose our independence and become whiny. It is only human. We all have our vulnerable sides but that does not mean that we are needy by nature. It is just a momentary side of weakness seen here.
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Talk about momentary weakness...lol...we all make mistakes, dont we? Cheers to 2006!
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Independence requires strength and courage. It would also mean breaking away from their comfort zone. Sometimes it is easy to push everything to the men and ride along.
At this time and age, it is sad to know/learn that some women still embrace such idealogy when they themselves can actually make a difference. Or is it that the power of love robs away their strength. Whichever the case, that is why we need friends or people here like you to shake some sensibility.
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Expatgirl, I'm very shocked to hear that you're still not getting it and that you even make an excuse for him for what he does.
His so-called frankness is an excuse for you to acknowledge how and what he will do for YOUR FUTURE.
Ofcourse it's easier to say than to do it, but you sound too old-fashion Chinese!
If you really can not live without this man, and if you dont feel like to wake up.....then delay your marriage plan, because you'll damage yourself fewer.
Cheers,
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Hi giggling gal,
You are absolutely right on... i am an old-fashioned cheena girl! Thats why i have this dilemma .. I realised that nowadays, youngsters have different school of thoughts abt love, relationship, sex and whatever... the definition of all these seem to change generations after generations..
I sometimes find it hard to accept certain behavior of people.. in the club..pple seem to be so open-minded abt themselves and let loose at most times.. in workplace, some women would rather sleep their way up the corporate ladder..I am not saying and stereotyping all youngsters..at least for me and some others out there, i hope we share the same thinking..
I am not financially dependent on my BF- I have a well-paid job, standing 1.7m tall and still looking rather attractive at 27 yrs old ..I would say... but,i must admit that i am emotionally dependent on him. For the past 9 yrs, we grew up together, we make decisions together, we lived together (for at least 6 yrs) and now.. we planned to move on to a higher stage of our lives together.
I bet many of u will be laughing at my old fashioned thingking and wanting to shake some sensibility off me.. but, I tried to change.. I tried to accept the reality of life..the changes of definition of love.. sometimes, it seems that I am living in the wrong part of the world! Wrong ERA.. I dunno.. I am confused.. I am totally devastated....feeling totally useless! Is it wrong to think this way?? Is it wrong to habour an old-fashioned CHinese thinking??
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Hoyo
Not most on this site are destructive, just some.
I agree men have urges. But a good man knows when to keep his pecker in his pants.
Lust may explain a behaviour, but it does not excuse or justify some behaviours.
I have urges, but I am not lead by my 'dumb stick'. I am in control, because I know that I am ultimately responsible for my actions, and the impacts they have on my relationships with others.
I make a deliberate choice not to play away from home. Because fidelity is a value shared by both my wife and I.
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Celia CM
Don't be so suprised by so many 'traditionalists' in this area of human live anyway.
You say yourself there are 2 million swingers in US, out of 200 million. So about 1% of popn are activley swinging.
As you say there are many ahppy swingers. Swinging is a lifestyle choice, you share a set of values with your partner. Just as valid as any other set of values by the way.
The key thing is that they are values you share with your partner. The problem occurs when any set of fundamental values are not shared with your life partner.
There will always be some differences, some can be compromised, but some are fundamentaly incompatibe. Fidelty Vs swinging are IMHO incompatible.
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I tend to agree with Tigerbay, a marriage does not have to be bound with the traditional ways it has been prescribed. Life is about living through adventure and being happy. You can choose any form of marriage as long as you are comfortable and happy with. I am not opposed to what your boyfriend has suggested but ulitmately you need to be able to live through it. However, if you are posting this thread, my guess is you will not be happy with what you are being pushed into agreement. A piece of advise is do not get married for the sake of a marriage.
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lulu
19 yrs ago
expatgal> you had a long relationship, so congrats. but to be honest if your boyfriend tell you such thing , he will sleep with someone soon. It's up to you whether you want to take it.
I had a boyfriend for nearly 10 years and when i found out he actually really fond of someone and slept with her, I left. I still think he is a very nice guy but somehow we both need to grow up. I am still single after all these years but what's wrong with that? It is better to set him free rather than me suffering and wondering he slept with someone, or wondering our relationship should cut or keep, so on...
Just do what you think you can, dun ask others, ask yourself.
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Nat27
19 yrs ago
Hi there, im not chinese but well also from a very traditional country, i had bf and never had one before, 4 years together, cant say i still think of him as a good person, and that hurts sooooo much... i always knew that even if we r not meant to be together in future i would remember those years as my happiers years ever... for sometime mine was LDR and it ruined it all.... But i remember when we started talking about getting married and having kids i got a little bit scared, i still wanted that so much... But there was a very little part of me thinking that i started this relationship and never had any kind of exparience before, never had fun with girls going out and stuff... Well, as i told u i had LDR for sometime and that was i guess the reason that made me feel that way..... what im trying to say is that maybe u two need some time apart, just to see what is it that u both really want... Guess he is a little bit scared maybe... let him see how does it feel to live without u... u might need sometime as well... I wanted to tell my ex that maybe we needed sometime apart, but i didnt want to hurt him and thought that if its only me feeling this way its ok i loved him and actually dont know...but my ex without telling me anything went out very often had fun with his friends..... He might hurt u so much by cheating on u.. it will be harder for u to get over it if he hurts u than just letting him go... all these 9 years that u r together will hurt u so much.... u know it does feel good to be single, still need sometime to move on but really it could be much easier for me if we just broke up without the pain that we cost each other..
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OOOHHHH expat girl come on get a grip. Ask yourself the following :
1. would you mind the fact that your man is sleeping with other women?
2. do you honestly believe that it would always be lust and you'd be able to accept that?
3. Do you think your man is going to be happy with you forever when he is already pre-warning you that he's gunna go with other women to keep himself happy?
Really i appreciate that we are all different but I can not believe for one minute that a marriage or relationship that involves the bloke going with other women is going to be happy. Its just a matter of time before you turn into an untrusting bitch and he becomes the basterd from hell. Good luck x
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hey sorry to be so blunt but ive seen it happen to many of my friends, and that hasnt just been the man who wanted some side fun either.
One of my female friends, had a lovely home, husband and child and had been 'having fun' with one guy for over a year before she decided that the lust had now turned to love and she quit everything she had to be with him. Problem was a year later she felt that urge to have some fun again and realised that she had started up a vicious circle.
Its normal to fancy the opposite sex but i dont think its that normal to follow it through when you have a partner that you supposidly love at home. I stayed with my BF for 12 years and through problems and urges i never once went with another man. To be honest i really was not interested, there was only one man i wanted sexually. Im not sure the percentage of men out there that feel like this but i do know that it does exist.
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and im also sorry to add that perhaps he told you about 'life and how he feels' because he has in fact already been having a bit of fun since you've been together. Sorry expat but from what you have written this guy sounds no where near as innocent as he is making out. He cried to you when he talked to you about 'what he might do' ...unless he is a little on the camp side i would guess that he was crying cos he was guilty. Only a thought, my dear, but please be careful. Everyone has already offered you a lot of advice and if i were you i would definately put my warning lights on full. Yes 9 years is a long time and im sure whatever happens now your going to feel some hurt, but remember the longer this issue so on unsolved the more hurt it is going to cause! You know what you need to do and its only you know what your head is telling you to do. For once use your head and not your heart and you'll do very well.
Nine years may sem like a long time now but a life of misery with a guy who is cheating on you will hurt you far more in the long run! take care and think carefully about YOUR future
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Tigerbay, Rouge, Space dust: Hail to you, guys!
Celia : She's is into monogamy, and suffering and will not participate in what you mentioned
Hoyo, Expatgirl: Come on, you're ONLY 27 and so young. He is merely a first love.
Expatgirl, I'm 32 but still never regretted NOT to marry my ex boyfriend, because simply know that wouldnt be happy with him.
Although I met sb else and we were not meant to be, but it made me realise that I deserve somebody better or will be much better off on my own.
P.S. I'm also Chinese and still desirable... :)
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Drop him. Then see if he comes running back. If he doesn't, he was probably just using that uncontrollable-lust thing as an excuse to break up anyway. If he does, then you get to call the shots on what kind of values you both must have in the relationship.
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Who's talking "perfect"? I think we're all implying (if not saying in so many words) that this guy has crossed a line. An unacceptable one. Oh sure, if he doesn't put the cap back on the toothpaste, that's forgivable. Or even if he has a drinking problem, it could be something to be worked out. But adultery is definitely crossing the line. Even the Bible which is all for forgiveness and all, draws that same line. For those not familiar, the Bible gives two causes for which divorce is acceptable: adultery and desertion.
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In spite of myself, I have to say, surely there are men out there with the proper value system. Not saying that they wouldn't have lustful urges, but that they would have enough decency to not act on these urges... ever. Nor the desire to. Yes, women do tend to be on the losing end because society tends to view older men as more attractive than older women, but expatgirl is only TWENTY-SEVEN for crying out loud. That's by no means over the hill. She'll find somebody else in a heartbeat, is my wager. Anyway, bottomline, I think, is if this guy is repentant. He's not, according to expatgirl. If he was, there's something to be worked out. But he's got some warped notion that cheating is ok as long as you don't try to hide it. That's why I said to try breaking up. Maybe he's the way he is cos he thinks expatgirl will never walk away.
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It is obvious that a few individuals have a very two (or even one) dimensional image of what love and marriage are.
Me, I go for something deeper.
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lulu
19 yrs ago
hoyo> understand that men want to sleep around and have fun, but he should not even cry out loud to expat girl!! He got not much respect to her as i think he so get used to their relationship so he can abuse it a bit. He told her that just want to save his ass.
Expat girl> I am 39, still no boyfriend, i dropped my ex 6 years ago and we been going out for 10 f**king years!!! Do I regret?? No!!! Hey you are only 27!! My ex even not dare to tell me that kinda of thing before we spilt up! I only asked him and he cannot denied he have this affair! I choose to go! I still think he is the best guy i ever met, but then i have no regrets, as people got to grow up and move on.
I am NOT being a " super women" here cos i do accept the fact that we need to move on and met some other people in life, he get bored of the relationship and i should not hold on and drag. Mind you, i left him at 33. Set him free.
Moreover, hoyo> I do not mind to spend more time to look for another person, even my remain life is still single, I am still happy that i had a HAPPY 10 years relationship with my ex, rather than drag on, make it all ugly and sour and then ask for help in this forum.
I am happy even i am single somehow, we do not need to search for men all our life. Live yourself happy.
Be strong.
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All the logic and advise in the world will not help if Expatgirl is still emotionally hooked. So, ok. Let's get to the root of the problem. How to get EG unhooked. REPLACE him. And what you replace him with depends largely on what makes you tick, EG? Does something as mild as replacing him with filling your time doing other stuff help? Like a hobby, hanging out with friends. A stronger dosage of replacement is to look for another guy. Actively hunt down another man to fulfil your emotional needs. And if THAT doesn't cut it, you gotta look much higher... God! Religion. Whatever you want to call it. But divine help. Not as a crutch, by any means, but as ruler and maker of the universe, who knows you inside-out, emotions and all, and who can more than replace this worm and lousy excuse for a human being.
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sorry but sounds like your man, expatgirl, has been screwing around for ..... oh probably the last 8 1/2 years or so.
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evohe
19 yrs ago
Can we be a little more optimistic around here, instead of pushing Expat Girl to break up and telling her he is already unfaithfull. Too many crows feeding on sadness here ...
Expat Girl :
1 - You have been together for nine years and you apparently love eachother, otherwise I don't see how then the relashionship would have last that long.
2 - Your man is honest towards you, but he has changed with time, probably because he needs also his private space, a bit more than you do I assume.
3 - Well, Asia is a very disturbing ground for a man, even in a couple. For one thing prostitution is everywhere and is culturally accepted, plus Taipei, Tokyo or HK have areas where fishing for a women is quite easy. A lot of the men enjoy this lust and boast about it. It is only natural that your bf feels disturbed.
But when it comes to it, if he loves you and wants to marry you he should be able to resist. I have seen some men, who were flirting around, suddenly become very faithfull, they would be tempted but did not want to act. Simply because they love their second half.
So before breaking up and being tormented about things he has not done yet, simply tell him that to you marriage is equivalent to commitment, and so is your current relashionship. That he feels tempted is normal, but he does not have your blessing. If in all honesty he wants to have the freedom to sleep around, then you cannot bear it and you leave him. If he is just admitting that he is tempted and that it is hard, reply with a smile that you are still hungry for action south of the border, but if he betrays you, of course the relashionship will be tained and you would stop it.
There is love, there are mistakes and FORGIVENESS. But he cannot have your blessing for sleeping around. So tell him that you don't accept that, but recognize that it might be hard to resist. You know if he really loves you and if communication in your couple is great, he will think twice before loosing what he cherish. He is selfish and you need to indicate what is the limit.
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evohe
19 yrs ago
Men who are not able to be faithfull in the name of their success are just full of sh*t. They have no moral standards.
Personally in Business I don't trust someone who show so poor personal values. They are not reliable.
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Hi Expatgirl, you must have started regretting for post this here but before you try to juggle all these advice, ask yourself whether your bf's 'honesty' about infidelity is acceptable by yourself. Lets not cheat ourselves that to love someone is to want them to be happy. It should under a condition that it wont hurt you who actually loves that one.
It might sounds cynical but maybe your bf sees the marriage is a convenient 'safty net' for him to fall his back on. When is failing his screwing around hobby he still has you that he doesnt have to make a lot of effort to get, to play quite a few tricks or chat-up to achieve. This is the best ego-massage for him during the intervals.
I believe it is hard for both of you to give up a 9-year relationship, but he might be for a different reason. If you two broke up, that would have been a big failure hard for him to swallow psychologically.
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Hoyo - perhaps you should get a 'dictionary' and then you would be able to spell useful words like 'guarantee' and 'honesty'.
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I would say most of men are afraid of confessing because that brings the feeling of a guilt. EG when he is confessing his intention of screwing around even after marriage, there must be something making him feel more guilts. What that could be? could it be happening in the future or already existed?
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shaq
19 yrs ago
Come on, guys, stop the firing at each other. Remember, no one tree is a forest; We're here to advise and support each other, no matter how little.
That said, I think people should be sensitive to the feeling of others in a community like ours. You can't write something horrible and expect no response. Our world is becoming messy because of irresponsible talks/actions. Let's give peace and great companionship a chance ......... peace out!!!! :D.
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shaq
19 yrs ago
JC-- Happy New Year to you too. I understand your point about the boiling issue here but, big Sis, let sleeping doings lie. It takes two to tango. So 'tangoing' will definitely stop if one gets no one to dance it with.
In my culture, we've a saying that "if the ding ding sound stops, the dong dong sound will follow suit" .... Let it go, sweetheart :-).
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Hoyp
The word is facet. Although facade is probably more appropriate.
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The question is not whether a man can have sex without love, of course he can. Look at all the hookers. Any man will nail just about any women. The minimum requirement is that she is willing and that she is not GD fugly.
The question is why WOULDN'T a man have sex with a women. The answers are:
1. His friends will laugh at who he slept with.
2. She will think that there is ANY chance of a LTR.
3. He doesn't want to ruin his relationship with his friend who happens to be married to her.
4. If he sleep with her, the other women will find out about it and he will have no chance with THEM.
Just to name a few. Yes men are dogs, I admit it. However the most important reason as far as you are concern:
He doesn't will not sleep with someone else (and he ALWAYS WANT TO) because he would hurt the one he loves. So if he did sleep with someone else, draw the logical conclusion.
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There is a fundamental difference between
A/ A man who falls prey to lust and cheats is adultery. In many cases the woman will forgive, in many cases not. Some relationships can survive some not.
and
B/ A man who says to a woman 'by the way, I will not/may not be faithful'. This is asking for carte blanch for adultery. This is a cop out, i.e. 'I never promised'.
This is not a good way to begin the relationship, unless it is a mutual arrangement. This sort of open marriage is extremely rare.
I think in the original post, we were talking about type B/
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Dear Everyone...
Happy New Year! Although 2005 ended pretty sadly but.. i believe 2006 will be a better yr for me! :-)
Thank you everyone for your advices and thoughts abt the issue i brought up.. apologise for the occasional aggression caused on some of u.. all of ur advices are complete,rational and meaningful on its own. Of coz, i do understand the ultimate decision maker is me..and the one who face the music is me! so.... i will have to make a stand on it.
Hmmm.. unfortunately.. or fortunately.. my BF got to see this thread that i started..it all started with logging on to my Gmail and saw this interesting reply email and he followed.. seeing all ur replies and of coz my hurt!.. to my astonishment, he apologises for all the hurt he caused.. he assured me that although he is honest abt his lust, he said for the good of our relationship, he is willing to try hard not to break my heart. He explained his honesty abt this lust thing is not to get excuse or a clear GO for his possible unacceptable actions but merely to open up with me and wanting me to better understand him. I am not sure.. he might be reading the thread at the moment.. but as wat most of u know.. we have been together for 9 good yrs.. too many memories and those good times we spent, those dreams we built, those promises of eternity and bliss.. too hard for him or myself to let go.
FOr the very reason that he realises how he has hurt me and comforted and tried to cheer me up, i think the relationship is still worthy.. for what u say.. i have found a man.. one who is unfortunately so foolishly honest abt himself..but a man who promised to me (all the time) he will protect me..love me..pamper me.. for the rest of our marriage lives.. i know he will coz.. he is one kind of a lazy person who will not do anything.. but for me.. he did a lot, he changed for me..and gave up many luxuries for my sake.. I will not say that i will condone his lust thingy and allow him to fool ard.. but i would convince myself to taking things as it comes..one at a time..no point thinking and pondering on something that has yet to happen..and thus messing up my current life.. life is short isn't it.. i think noone will ever know wat is gonna happen tomorrow.. or perhaps a few mins later.. lets all treasure what we have today.. and think abt tomorrow only when it comes.. I thank everyone for all ur advices and interesting thoughts.. all are important to me! As for my darling who might have seen this thread... right that u have hurt me, but i thank u for being honest.. and as u have promised.. pls protect me and shower me with ur love for the rest of our lives... by protecting me.. it should include to prevent me from being hurt from ur lust! control ur rod and stick it into ur pants..hee hee ...
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Hoyo> I think your advice is precious. I have almost similar situation as Expat girl. Been married for a year. Before that we were dating for around 9 years. Just after 3 months of marriage, I found out that my husband has been having affair for around 10 months.
We sat down and talked. He said that the reason he had affair with that girl
1, Free Sex
2, I was too controlling. I control our money. He said if I have given him more pocket money, he won’t have affair, instead he will go to massage or night club.
He also told me that it is normal for guys to have affair. He then told me that most of our married friends are also like him (fool around behind their wives). The only difference between him and our other friends is that our friends go to massage or night night club and pay for the service whereas for him its free.
So now he had already broken up with that girl (so as he said). We also had agreement that he can go to massage or night club but everytime before he goes, he need to tell me before hand. He said sometimes he will need to go to massage and he also said we have been together for too long that sex with me is no longer interesting or fun. It is actually very hurt when he told me this.
I know a lot of people will think I am stupid and that I should get out of this relationship. But it is easier said than done. We have been together for 9 years and during that time we shared a lot of memories.
So my question for you Hoyo is,
1. What should I do to make sure that one day he won’t leave me. How should I treat him. I do not mind him going to massage or call prostitute but I am very scared that one day he will not love me and love other women. How should I prevent this
2. What should I do to make him interested in having sex with me again. We still have sex but very rare. I want him to want to have sex with me not because its his job but because he finds that I am sexy ( I do not know how to say it, but you know like the first time when we just dating). Is this possible?? Or is guy just lose interest with the girl after being together for a long time.
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Wow! What a read!
I'm still not sure whether to say 'good luck' or 'good gracious'!
Expatgal - I really do wish you happiness and if you can find it in that airy-fairy 'I'll try' of his, then good for you!
JC - again you already this year you have managed to calm me down. There was I getting a little frustrated with Hoyo's rantings from his protected male corner, and you step into the ring and say all the things I wanted to! Thank you again from the bottom of my heart (it's a very big heart with an ample bottom too!)
Didn't realise Thursday was going to supply such good reading!
All (sorry!) I mean MOST of you have yet again seen the problem from both sides....
brilliant!
Doh!
Just broke my NY resolution!!!
DOh! Doh! DOh!
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lulu
19 yrs ago
This thread is getting really funny!
Lau is super entertaining...i dunno what to say...haha ..that really so wriedos around. :)))
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evohe
19 yrs ago
Hoyo : international man of wisdom. You are the one getting frustrated.
8999lau.
1 - You can't make sure that he won't leave you. A couple is a free agreement to remain together, not a jail.
2 - Check if you can loose some weight, dress sexier, get tanned, dunno : work on it :-)
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I sometimes feel like I am at a cinema when reading these threads; thus explaining my urge for a big bag of chips because there are no other patrons within earshot and a big fattening softdrink.
However I should entertain myself with my study instead, and stop reading these threads.
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