Trust, honesty and empathy

Hi everyone, i have decided to put this thread up because I would like to know the feeling and thoughts of others. I am unsure if Ed will delete this, if he does so be it. All I can say is, so much for freedom of speech.


The topic that I would like to bring up is the 9/11 conspiracy theory. I am sure you are aware of it, but has many of you seen the online documentaries? I am an engineer and I can remember when it happened and I thought the buildings fell very fast and didn't fall as I expected. Now that I have checked out a lot of the online documentaries my suspicions were correct. I cannot compute the fact that it may of been an internal job done by the U.S government. The thought of all those innocent lives being sacrificed just for an excuse to make money and obtain oil is just beyond my comprehension . I could bore you with all the details but if you are curious just google it, a good one is called "loose change". What I am more interested in is how they fell. There is enough evidence out there to prove that it was a controlled demolition. So my question is; WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE AND THINK. Also, what if it is true and the US government was involved; what do you think will happen.


Oh please don't start name calling or anything this is an open discussion and I am just curious what others think.


To finish it off, a snip it of information. Throughout the entire history of civil engineering only three steel structured building have ever fallen due to fire. They all happened on 9/11. During the 2nd world war the empire states building was hit by a large bomber plane and was on fire for something like 24 hours; that didn't collapse. So how come the WTC towers fell???

I have seen and heard several programs

about this and yes, I was pretty freaked out.

I strongly doubt it was the US gov't but absolutely could have been part of the whole plan by the terrorists.

It would be virtually impossible to keep that plan a secret. Not possible by normal people. Terrorists, maybe.

might be better to move this to Speakers..

Hi tidings 2, thanks for your thoughts. I hear what you are saying, but i find it hard to believe that some terrorist somehow got clearance to get in those building to rig it out with explosives. A demolition preparation can take weeks to set-up and tons of explosives. I am by no means disrespecting your opinion, i went down that line of thought also until i learned how much effort would be required to set it up. If you are curious type in false flag operations on google. Some of the info is very scary. A false flag op being when somebody sets up an incident and leaves enough evidence to be able to point the finger at another country or organization. there is official documents out there now released by the US govt describing what they have done in the past.


I have been looking at a lot of stuff over the months and it is frightening what goes on and is not explained.



Lets hope that the people who lost loved ones in 9/11 get the truth and honesty they deserve.

Maybe there were gas explotions. Everyone's worked in an office block that is a bit crappy and old. I don't know anything about buildings, I was on my way to the pub when the 9/11 thing happened so I didn't watch it, but maybe it was something natural in the building. Don't floresant lights explode in heat? Something like that, like I say, I don't know, but it's better to think it's something to do with the construction of the building than to do with the government. Are the yankies that bothered about oil? It polutes the atmosphere, wind power is the way forward!

There were several restaurants in the building as well and a lot of gas is piped in for them.

I was recently discussing this same topic with a mate, who is a structural engineer. He said that the reason that they collapsed, was that when designed, the Towers were actually designed to withstand the impact of an aircraft. However;


There seems to have been two specific issues:


1. Whilst having been designed to withstand such an impact, it was not envisaged that an aircraft would be almost full of fuel, which apparently they were.

2. The structural steel girders were manufactured to withstand heat generated by an impact and subsequent fire generated by aviation fuel with octane ratings current for the 1960’s. Modern aviation fuel is apparently a higher grade and burns at a higher temperature, which resulted in the girders melting and the subsequent collapse.


Another interesting point is that the insurance policy for the Towers, only ever took into consideration, one Tower collapsing. When both the Twins (and the several surrounding buildings) fell, the owners took a huge financial loss.

Let's add this to all of the other "conspiracy theories"


The holocast during WW2 is just a myth and a pefect example how a saint like Hitler can get blamed for a BBQ gone awry.


The Cultural Revolution was really just poor decisions by managment to reorganize the work force. Mao really didn't mean to destroy the best and brightest minds in China.


Man didn't walk on the moon. It was all just a clever marketing ploy by NASA to sell Tang organge juice


The rape of Nanking? This is what happens when consensual adults participate in an orgy. He said, she said....


Lee Harvey Oswald did not work alone. The Russians and the Ethipiopians planted mind control chips in Harvey's brain to force Harvey to execute their plan to kill Kennedy.


Jesus really wasn't crucified. It was just a wood working accident that went horribly bad.


That being said....


I won't say it is impossible for some government to wreak havoc on their own citizens for some sinister and self serving purpose. God knows it has happened many times before all over the world. But it is impossible for me to believe that an act like 9-11 could be be a conspiracy for one simple reason. It would have taken way too many people to plan and execute such a dastardly deed. You don't think someone involved would not have talked by now? Maybe make a few million selling their story to the news organizations or Hollywood? But if it was a conspiracy, Bush did a masterful job of partnering with Bin Laden to corroborate the story. Who would have thought Bin Laden and Bush could work so well together? And they thought Bush was stupid !


While I obviously disagree with the 9-11 conspiracy theory, I will defend to my death your right to spout off whatever nonsense you want to believe in. Intelligent people can draw their own conclusions. And after reading some of the posts in this thread, I'm feeling pretty darn smart right now.

Thanks guys, it's nice to know that the majority of you are thinking along the same lines as i. As flashback said, i hope that there is a good reason for what happened and that we all have got the wrong idea but until the government has more evidence about the penatgon "plane crash" or the reasons why all evidence for the WTC was shipped off instead of left untouched for investigation....when you look at all the evidence and all weird coincidences linked to the whole ordeal. It's very hard to believe it didn't happen without somebody in the govt knowing about it.


HkBlue, sorry to disappoint you, but I am not a civil engineer therefore it's not my specialty. Regarding your question: the building was designed to take multiple impacts of heavier planes. Also if you have witnessed controlled demolitions first hand surely you can see the similarity of how they collapsed into its footprint?


Thanks Dandy Randy for sharing your opinion, I believe the holocaust is real, lord forbid I am not one of those freaks that thinks it didnt happen nor one who thinks hitler was a saint. The holocaust was as real as 9/11 was. If you honestly think that its just someone making stuff up...have a look back at history and proven facts...do you know how the U.S got involved in the Vietnam War? What about Afghanistan? Or Iraq for that matter...Most people that stand there pointing a finger saying "Conspiracy wacko" are really not questioning the evidence enough. Oh and before anyone says anything, i am not a US hater or a political nut, I am just someone who is searching for real answers.

I understand that there are many sources of information regarding 911. People can freely choose which sources they want to believe and which sources they don't want to believe.


Here is a link to Popular Mechanics. It is up to the individual to decide if they want to believe all of it, some of it, or none of it.


http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1